[Ninong]

More outrageous statements from former Nixon speechwriter, former Republican presidential candidate, former Republican convention keynote speaker and chief cook and bottle-washer of the Nazi wing of the Theocrat branch of the Republican Party:


True, U.S. and British troops liberated France, Holland and Belgium from Nazi occupation. But before Britain declared war on Germany, France, Holland and Belgium did not need to be liberated. They were free. They were only invaded and occupied after Britain and France declared war on Germany – on behalf of Poland. When one considers the losses suffered by Britain and France – hundreds of thousands dead, destitution, bankruptcy, the end of the empires – was World War II worth it, considering that Poland and all the other nations east of the Elbe were lost anyway?

If the objective of the West was the destruction of Nazi Germany, it was a "smashing" success. But why destroy Hitler? If to liberate Germans, it was not worth it. After all, the Germans voted Hitler in.

If it was to keep Hitler out of Western Europe, why declare war on him and draw him into Western Europe? If it was to keep Hitler out of Central and Eastern Europe, then, inevitably, Stalin would inherit Central and Eastern Europe.

Was that worth fighting a world war – with 50 million dead?


OK, as we all know by now, former altar boy and supposedly devout Catholic, Patrick Buchanan is not playing with a full deck. Previously he has claimed that the crematoria did not exist. Nowhere in his latest rant does he mention the holocaust. He blames Britain for forcing Hitler to invade the rest of Europe. Here we see his latent anglophobia temporarily displacing his overt anti-semitism. He must have a very crowded little brain with all those competing phobias in there.

According to Pat, Hitler was a decent fellow with no plans to take over the world. It was all Britain's fault for provoking him. Obviously Pat is not familiar with all of the fuhrer's writings. Or maybe he is?!? Knowing Pat's weird racial phobias, and immigrant phobia, and homophobia, and anti-semitism, and anglophobia, and francophobia maybe he sees nothing wrong with Hitler's plans for world domination and extermination of the Jews and enslavement of the slavs? All of that is discussed in Mein Kamph, Hitler's prophetic autobiography. His plans to invade North America are discussed in detail in a sequel to Mein Kampf that was written in the 1930's long before he invaded Poland. That manuscript has recently been authenticated and excerpts have been published. Surely a devoted Hitlerite like Pat would be aware of something like this?

If Benedict XVI wants to excommunicate somebody, he could start with Buchanan for being a disgrace to the human race.

If you really want to read the entire diatribe in context, it's on Buchanan's website under the title Was World War II Worth It?

He continues the Bush theme of blaming Roosevelt and Churchill for ceding Eastern Europe to Stalin at Yalta. Yes, Yalta was a mistake but consider the situation at the time. Roosevelt wanted Stalin to declare war on Japan (which he finally did only after we dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima) and everybody wanted the fighting to come to an end as soon as possible. The Red Army already occupied Eastern Europe and Stalin had no intention of withdrawing. Should we have declared war on the Soviet Union as Patton wanted us to do? That's hard to say. I know that all the grownups around me were thrilled that the whole mess was finally over and we weren't going to lose a million men invading Japan. I was only 7-1/2 at the time but I do remember the mood of the times. People just wanted it to be over. I doubt that there would have been public support in either Great Britain or the U.S. for a military conflict with Stalin, especially considering the size of the Red Army at that time. You have to remember that people in America have always valued human life and the weekly pictures in Life magazine and the 15-minute Movietone News of the World when you went to the movies were of nothing but dead soldiers and marines. I remember those pictures and those newsreels VERY vividly.

That's why Eisenhower told the Russians they could invade Berlin. As Supreme Allied Commander, he could have insisted on a joint operation but the Russians wanted to take Berlin all by themselves. That wasn't in the best interest of the Berliners but at that particular moment in time not many people outside of Germany were all that concerned about Germans no matter where they lived. The Russians lost about 100,000 men in the final push to Berlin. They didn't have to lose that many but human lives were not valued all that highly by Stalin -- not even Russian lives!

World War II was a war that was forced on the world by Nazi Germany and Japan. Whether or not Britain and France declared war on Germany following Hitler's invasion of Poland would have made no difference in Hitler's plans for worldwide domination. In fact, had they not declared war when they did, Hitler may have been even more successful because he could have concentrated on taking lands to the east first without having to fight on two fronts. Why he invaded Russia when he did is still a mystery that can only be explained by realizing that Hitler, like Buchanan, was not playing with a full deck.

P.S. -- I almost overlooked something. Pat is bemoaning the "end of the empires" as if he thinks European colonialism was a good thing! This guy is just unbelievable!

[SPasse]

Ninong,

I must have missed this one…

What an amazing take on how WWII would have unfolded if England & France had not declared war on Germany. This is revisionist history at its worst.

Nazi Germany was evil incarnate. Unfortunately, Stalin wasn’t much better than Hitler. The fact that “Western civilization” even survived having those characters on the world stage makes one contemplate divine intervention.

Regards,

Scott

[Ninong]

Scott,

Can you believe that MSNBC still pays this crackpot to spout "counterpoint" on their talk shows? Except that Olberman won't have him on, thankfully. This is the neo-Nazi who supported the white apartheid government in South Africa and urged us all to buy Krugerrands to show our support, remember that? And he favored keeping Nelson Mandela in prison forever.

He's supposed to be a devout Catholic but he's as pro-death penalty and pro-war as anyone you will ever come across. And he thinks Vatican II should be reversed.

Hey, since you're reading this thread and since I know you're into this sort of stuff: 2005 Harris poll results: 61% of Americans still believe in the devil vs. 20% of Italians (the Vatican's still in Italy, right?), 12% of Russians and 9% of Germans. Interesting.

Did you know that when Bush met Putin for the first time, besides looking into his eyes and seeing deep into his soul (Bush's words), he also saw a small gold cross on a chain around his neck, which Pooty wore deliberately to throw Bush off balance. Vladimir, who was once head of the KGB (and all that entails), now claims to be a devout Russian Orthodox Christian. I wonder if he still believes in the devil? Nah.