[zhenya]

Makes one wonder where we, as a part of this planet, are going...

http://coralstory.blogspot.com/

[schrocat]

Thanks for the link!

[zhenya]

If anyone is interested in more, here's a whole slew of articles.Some are old news and some are pretty recent.
http://www.globalcoral.org/articles.htm

[Ninong]

Gene,

I'm pretty sure I posted this link last year but there's no harm in posting it again in this thread. That's a 56-page report on Coral Reefs and Global Climate Change.

We can take comfort in knowing that the Bush administration is doing it's part to reduce the burdens on our environment. Oh, wait. I may have misread that. Looks like they're talking about reducing the "regulatory burden" on the environment. It seems that requiring companies to report their toxic pollution uses up a lot of trees to make the paper for all those reports. So, from now on, the Bush EPA wants to allow ten times as much toxic pollution to go unreported. That will save a lot of trees!

"Those changes would exempt companies from disclosing their toxic pollution if they claim to release fewer than 5,000 pounds of a specific chemical — the current limit is 500 pounds — or if they store it onsite but claim to release "zero" amounts of the worst pollutants. Those include mercury, DDT, PCBs and other chemicals that persist in the environment and work up the food chain. However, companies must report any storage of dioxin or dioxin-like compounds, even if none are released."

Also, in an effort to save even more trees, reports would be required only every other year instead of the annual reports now required.

P.S. -- Team Rapture doesn't see any need to plan beyond the next 20-30 years anyway.

[romunov]

We can take comfort in knowing that the Bush administration is doing it's part to reduce the burdens on our environment. Oh, wait. I may have misread that. Looks like they're talking about reducing the "regulatory burden" on the environment. It seems that requiring companies to report their toxic pollution uses up a lot of trees to make the paper for all those reports. So, from now on, the Bush EPA wants to allow ten times as much toxic pollution to go unreported. That will save a lot of trees!

Can you spell fascism?

[Ninong]

Roman,

I can see that you'll fit right in here!

We discuss all the verboten topics that you can't bring up in The Lounge.

[romunov]

Oh-ow, I smell NSA.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by romunov

Oh-ow, I smell NSA.

Always clear your cookies after visiting the NSA's website. They stick an illegal tracking cookie in your computer that doesn't expire until 2035. It tracks all of your web surfing.

After they were caught doing this, they promised to stop it but I checked a week after they said that and they were still doing it. I had to clear my cookies again!

The White House website uses cookies but they don't track your other surfing habits, just where you go on their site.

P.S. -- They probably have a file on me already anyway and I'm sure they have a file on you, considering you're in an Eastern European country. Heck, they may have a file on this entire reefkeeping bulletin board by now thanks to us.

[romunov]

Which is just peachy, if I deside to have an amnesia. I have a database to turn to!
I'm probably in the pinky_red_commie_liberal_no good_swine folder.

[icemark]

Originally Posted by zhenya

Makes one wonder where we, as a part of this planet, are going...

http://coralstory.blogspot.com/

Oh man I couldn't make it past the first page of that crap...

There is so much fear mongering there it should be banned.

Also, this project needs financial support! Contact me directly via the e mail

Just another bozo trying to make money off of the fear of the average joe.

[schrocat]

Originally Posted by icemark

Oh man I couldn't make it past the first page of that crap...

There is so much fear mongering there it should be banned.


Just another bozo trying to make money off of the fear of the average joe.

To what are you refering?

The "coral bones" blog itself?
or a particular article Casper Henderson posted a link to...

[icemark]

Yeah the Coral Bones blog itself,

wait I just went back and read the article on the link that Ninong posted as well (http://www.fit.edu/isrs/recent%20pub...al%202004.pdf), and found that to be half full of crap too...sensationalist garbage mixed with half truths.

See in the last year or so I have been doing a lot of personal research on the "Global warming trend", tracing down what warming there really is and what affect it is really having. IMO (and that is a big IMO) the only true warming is happening in major cities and not a global scale. Even using the data in Ninongs link, the global temps (which they are averaging but not specifying where the temps are recorded- could be the middle of a volcano) anyway are only increasing around 1 degree F since the last mini ice age. Yet they have run some "model" (That appears to be only based on CO2 PPMV) claiming that there will be a increase of another 1 degree (F) in the next 50 years (again off of their "global average" that was recorded who knows where. (and lets face it were the thermometers and record keeping sufficient enough even 100 years ago to cover the whole planet, that there could even be a base line temp taken???)

Is this really global warming??? Or fear mongering???

Now don't get me wrong. In my studies over the last year or so on this, I have seen an upward temp trend in major cities. But in my opinion these are stricky related to the increase on man made surfaces and activity in the area (such as running of automobiles, factories, heating and cooling, and paving), but I have seen actually a lowering of temperatures reported in smaller towns and the countryside in general.

But a 1 degree increase since the end of a mini climatic event, hell I would expect at least a 10 degree increase since an mini ice age ended.

But more towards corals (since we are a reef board). If you read through that same article it notes that Tateyama area in Japan actually had higher temp water than there is there now (3-5 degrees warmer F) 5000 years ago. There were approx 72 species of coral then in the area, compared to only around 32 species now.

Now just taking the raw data (without any further refining) that would suggest that actual a true global warming of the oceans would increase corals both in diversity and volume. (Of course that is just raw data, but it could be used the same way- fear mongering: Example: Say that increasing temperatures in the ocean will actually cause problems with increased marine diversity, clogging harbors and ship ways, and slowing down ocean currents, further warming the environment.

See how it can be twisted.

IMO the people harping about global warming all have there own agendas... agendas that get people like the average Joe to go out be panicked and give them money. Money that they would have to earn with a real job otherwise. Money that these "Environmental watch dog" then give to a researcher to panic more people into giving the "Environmental watch dog" more money.

I mean wouldn't it be cool to say<" I am an non profit organization that is studying the effects of global warming, I need any contribution you can give me so I can study the growth of corals in controlled environments". Of course these controlled environments are our reef tanks... and people would send you money, no questions asked.

It’s a big scam