Weather...

[BubbaWPB]

Can you say Global Warming?

All we need now is a good super volcanic eruption, or a meteor the size of a hotel, and the global warming will be neutralized... nothing too big though, we wouldn't want another ice age...

[romunov]

My grandma's backyard.

[icemark]

Can you say Global Warming?

LOL...

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All we need now is a good super volcanic eruption, or a meteor the size of a hotel, and the global warming will be neutralized... nothing too big though, we wouldn't want another ice age...

See in the last year or so I have been doing a lot of personal research on the "Global warming trend", tracing down what warming there really is and what affect it is really having. IMO (and that is a big IMO) the only true warming is happening in major cities and not a global scale. Even using the data in Ninongs link (in another thread here), the global temps (which they are averaging but not specifying where the temps are recorded- could be the middle of a volcano) anyway are only increasing around 1 degree F since the last mini ice age. Yet they have run some "model" (That appears to be only based on CO2 PPMV) claiming that there will be a increase of another 1 degree (F) in the next 50 years (again off of their "global average" that was recorded who knows where. (and lets face it were the thermometers and record keeping sufficient enough even 100 years ago to cover the whole planet, that there could even be a base line temp taken???)

Is this really global warming??? Or fear mongering???

If there is Global warming why are the 400+ glaciers just in California increasing??? If there is global warming why is the Antartic icepack depth increasing?

Now don't get me wrong. In my studies over the last year or so on this, I have seen an upward temp trend in major cities (1 to 2 degrees F over the last 50 years). But in my opinion these are stricky related to the increase on man made surfaces and activity in the area (such as running of automobiles, factories, heating and cooling, and paving), but I have seen actually a lowering of temperatures reported in smaller towns and the countryside in general.

But a 1 degree increase since the end of a mini climatic event, hell I would expect at least a 10 degree increase since an mini ice age ended.

But more towards corals (since we are a reef board). If you read through that same article [that Nin posted a couple weeks back here] (3-5 degrees warmer F) 5000 years ago. There were approx 72 species of coral then in the area, compared to only around 32 species now.

Now just taking the raw data (without any further refining) that would suggest that actual a true global warming of the oceans would increase corals both in diversity and volume. (Of course that is just raw data, but it could be used the same way- fear mongering: Example: Say that increasing temperatures in the ocean will actually cause problems with increased marine diversity, clogging harbors and ship ways, and slowing down ocean currents, further warming the environment.

See how it can be twisted.

IMO the people harping about global warming all have there own agendas... agendas that get people like the average Joe to go out be panicked and give them money. Money that they would have to earn with a real job otherwise. Money that these "Environmental watch dog" then give to a researcher to panic more people into giving the "Environmental watch dog" more money.

I mean wouldn't it be cool to say<" I am an non profit organization that is studying the effects of global warming, I need any contribution you can give me so I can study the growth of corals in controlled environments". Of course these controlled environments are our reef tanks... and people would send you money, no questions asked.

It’s a big scam

Don't believe me??? Go find out for yourself. Go look up recorded temps, go look up recorded storms, go look up weather patterns. You'll find out yourself. Don't fall for the "sky is falling mentality"

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Here is another intresting article that was in the Philly Inquirer about the storms and how they are unrelated to the so called global warming, but rather part of a whole other regular cycle:

Online Exclusive |Experts hesitant to link hurricane season, warmingBy Anthony R. Wood
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER

The incredible 2005 hurricane season, one of the deadliest and by far the most expensive on record, has inflamed worries about global warming.Is this only the beginning of an era of more powerful storms? Has warming pushed the North Atlantic past a dangerous threshold?

Some of the country's most respected hurricane experts say it is impossible to indict global warming as the driving agent behind Katrina and the season's record numbers of storms.

But changes in North Atlantic circulation almost certainly were a factor, scientists say. And, in this case, those changes are having an effect on the budgets of every household in the nation.
A team of hurricane researchers has documented that tropical storms follow 25- to 40-year cycles in which busy periods alternate with lulls. These cycles are part of the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation.

During the active phase, sea-surface temperatures in the Atlantic Basin are above average, and in recent years they have been near all-time highs. The basin consists of the Atlantic, the Caribbean, and the Gulf of Mexico. The always-mild Gulf Stream itself - which can give tropical storms an extra jolt of heat energy - has been warmer than in the 1970 through the early 1990's cycle.

The latest warm phase took hold in the mid-1990s. Right on schedule, the extraordinarily quiet hurricane period that began around 1970 ended abruptly in 1995. The last 11 seasons have had a level of activity unmatched in the era of reliable records.

While hard data are not available, computer models tie the oscillation to changes in the North Atlantic's circulation, according to experts at the Atlantic Oceanic and Meteorological Laboratory in Miami.

These changes are far more subtle than the ones that could disrupt climate, but they are significant nonetheless.

The changing cycles also are believed to be responsible for droughts in the Southwest and Midwest, including the Dust Bowl disaster of the 1930s, which coincided with a warm phase.
The big question for researchers is whether the latest warm phase and the ferocity of the 2005 hurricane season got a charge from global warming.

They don't know. What they do know is that the cycle is far from over.

"This could last another 20 years," says Alberto Mestas-Nu&#241;ez, a hurricane researcher in Miami.
That is a chilling forecast, both for owners of coastal property and for U.S. taxpayers. Driven largely by hurricane damages, federal disaster expenses are off the charts.

So again the global warming BS causing storms is shown to be just a regualr part of the weather cycle.

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and taken from another report and story in the Washington Bureau Knight Ridder Newspapers:

It was the third worst year for U.S. extreme-weather events in history, according to the National Climatic Data Center. For 2005's first 11 months, the nation had an extreme-climate index figure of 35, behind only 1998's 42 and 1934's 37. The average annual score is 20.

One form of extreme weather fell short, however: tornadoes. In 2005, there were only half as many killer U.S. tornadoes as recent norms.

SOURCES: National Climatic Data Center, National Interagency Fire Center.

Hmmm 1934 had worse weather (and is considered 25 years before "Man Made Global Warming" has had any effect on the enviroment).

Or how about:

THE GALVESTON STORM OF 1900—
THE DEADLIEST DISASTER IN AMERICAN HISTORY
The dawn of the 20th century ushered in many dramatic changes in the United States. The Wright Brothers conducted flight experiments at Kittyhawk, North Carolina. The U.S. population was 76 million in 1900 compared to 270 million in the year 2000. And, the U.S. government took in $567 million in 1900. At the end of the 20th century it took in $1.7 trillion.

There were many memorable events in the United States throughout the 20th century. The Galveston, Texas, hurricane of 1900 remains the worst disaster in American history. More than 8,000 people perished September 8, 1900 when the category 4 hurricane barreled into Galveston, where many people were on vacation.

On September 8, the hurricane slammed into Galveston almost head on. Waves were higher than 15 feet and winds howled at 130 miles per hour. By the time the storm passed, more than 8,000 people were dead, countless were injured and half of the island's homes had been swept away.

yep... 70 years befor anyone even thought of Global warming caused by man.

Or the 10 most powerful Hurricains to meet US landfall:
(ranking, Name, year, catagory, Pressure (millibar)
1. FL (Keys) 1935 5 892
2. CAMILLE (MS/SE LA/VA) 1969 5 909
3. ANDREW (SE FL/SE LA) 1992 4 922
4. FL (Keys)/S TX 1919 4 927
5. FL (Lake Okeechobee) 1928 4 929
6. DONNA (FL/Eastern U.S.) 1960 4 930
7. TX (Galveston) 1900 4 931
7. LA (Grand Isle) 1909 4 931
7. LA (New Orleans) 1915 4 931
7. CARLA (N & Cent. TX) 1961 4 931
11. HUGO (SC) 1989 4 934

(This is taken from The Deadliest, Costliest, and Most Intense United States hurricanes of this century (and other frequently requested hurricane facts) [NOAA Technical Memorandum NWS TPC-1])

Hmm Only 2 in the last 30 years... Yep Global warming that's the cause

[schrocat]

Here's hoping your research is right!