[Ninong]

Hey, Schrocat, your buddy, Dr. Dino, is going to jail. Mrs. Dino, too.

The jury must have been infiltrated by evil evolutionists who favor the teaching of filthy fact-based science in science class instead of faith-based science.

Check it out.

Karma: The creator of creation science has just been eliminated from the gene pool for the foreseeable future -- up to 225 years, in fact. (Dept. of Corrections: It's actually up to 288 years for Dr. Dino. It's Mrs. Dinosaur that could get up to 225 years!)



You can read "Dr." Kent Hovind's Wikipedia profile here.

[schrocat]

[smidoid]

Yeah, we picked that up over at Richard Dawkins a few days back as the news broke. I laughed so hard that I still ache. What's almost better was that hypocrite "Haggard" being exposed for at least a few indiscretions with a guy who is also gay... the mind boggles.

[Ninong]

The world was created exactly 6,010 years ago according to the official Kingdom of Heaven website.

Note: Kingdom of Heaven passports and driver's licenses are now available online.

[smidoid]

Not exactly a busy site there! Not even 800 (clicks) since July 2006... business must be slow saving souls these days.

[Ninong]

Dr. Dino is in the county jail awaiting sentencing on January 19th, according to his blog. Yep, you heard that right, he's blogging from jail!

So why does he think God wants him to be in jail?

"Why Did God Allow This? To make me more like Jesus..."

What does he think about his new buddies?

"Many of the men are loud, vulgar, and play the TV full blast most of the day."

How are the accomodations?

"I finally got a pillow after only eight days and requests!"

No pillow for eight days sounds like cruel and unusual punishment to me. I wonder how he's taking it?

"I have a much better appreciation for many Bible characters who suffered for doing right. Abel, Joseph in Egypt, John on the Isle of Patmos, Job, Daniel, Jeremiah, Shadrach, Peter, Paul, and Mary Stephen, just to name a few, and millions of other Christians in the last 2000 years."

Maybe he'll write a new Book of Revelation? The revelation of Jesus Christ unto his servant Dr. Dino. Nah! Probably just "letters," which is what his blog is supposed to represent.

"Paul’s letters written from jail will mean much more to me now."

Is he making new friends?

"I am meeting people here that I would probably never had met, had I not been sent here. I have also been teaching basic math to many of the men. They love it, and are eager to learn. One man, with over thirty tattoos, was excited when I made him a bookmarker. It seems that most are starved for real affection..."



Rev. Kent "Dr. Dino" Hovind

[Ninong]

Visitors at Dinosaur Adventure Land, a theme park that offers to help children "find out the truth about dinosaurs."

"My kids kept recognizing flaws in the presentation," said Mrs. Passmore, of Jackson, Ala. "You know — the whole `millions of years ago dinosaurs ruled the earth' thing."

So this week, the Passmores sought out a lower-profile Florida attraction: Dinosaur Adventure Land, a creationist theme park and museum here that beckons children to "find out the truth about dinosaurs" with games that roll science and religion into one big funfest with the message that Genesis, not science, tells the real story of the creation.

There are dinosaur bone replicas, with accompanying explanations that God made dinosaurs on Day 6 of the creation as described in Genesis, 6,000 years ago.

Wade and Joan Killingsworth, who belong to a home-schooling coalition called Solid Rock Christian School, said they took their children to Colonial Williamsburg over spring break and came to Dinosaur Adventure Land because it was similarly educational. But they and the Passmores, who traveled from Alabama with eight minivans of like-minded families, said this type of road trip had far more to offer.

"We've been to museums, discovery centers, where you have to sit there and take the evolutionary stuff," Mr. Passmore said. "It feels good for them to finally hear it in a public place, something that reinforces their beliefs."

Dinosaur Adventure Land, tucked behind a highway lined with car dealerships in this metropolitan area of 425,000, sits next to Mr. Hovind's home and the offices of Creation Science Evangelism, which he said he founded in 1989.

From the NY Times

P.S. -- Now that Dr. Dino is in jail, does this mean that Dinosaur Adventure Land's application for some of the Bush Administration's faith-based money to teach creation science as an alternative to real science so that the children can make up their own little minds like Our Leader wants will not be approved?

[SPasse]

George,

I don't know if you read the Blog feedback forum:

CSE Blogs » Blog Archive » Sixty to Zero in One Second Flat…Then Back to Eighty!

…shows why he received the P.T. Barnum awards…

I did see something interesting though.

"Already several years ago, study of mitochondrial DNA from Neanderthal fossils showed they were not the same as any known race of modern humans. Now, preliminary sequencing indicates their total DNA is 99.5% the same as humans, putting them neatly between humans and the other African apes."

Have you seen this discussed anywhere else?

Regards,

Scott

[smidoid]

Please tell me that they can shut him the hell up when he finally gets sentenced. No doubt he'll do it by proxy then. <groan>

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by SPasse

I did see something interesting though.

"Already several years ago, study of mitochondrial DNA from Neanderthal fossils showed they were not the same as any known race of modern humans. Now, preliminary sequencing indicates their total DNA is 99.5% the same as humans, putting them neatly between humans and the other African apes."

Have you seen this discussed anywhere else?

Homo neanderthalensis was a separate species in the same genus as H. sapiens. I have no idea why anyone would use the phrase "not the same as any known race of modern humans." First of all, I don't know what they mean by "race." That's a really odd scientific term that I am not familiar with. The concept of "race" was discredited decades ago. We are one species, H. sapiens sapiens.

The question that is being studied recently thanks to DNA from Neandertal remains is whether there was any interbreeding between H. neanderthalensis and H. sapiens sapiens during the 15,000 years or so that their ranges overlapped before the disappearance of H. neanderthalensis some 30,000 years ago. (P.S. -- I just did a google search and came up with this article in support of interbreeding. That's a very recent article.)

Recent genome testing shows that Neandertal DNA and human DNA are 99.5% to 99.9% identical. I believe chimp DNA is 98.5% to 99.0% identical to human DNA. That's not as close as it sounds. It's the expression of the genes that makes the big differences. It's not only whether the genes are identical, but how they are expressed that matters.

Both H. sapiens and H. neanderthalensis are descendants of H. erectus. Most experts date H. neanderthalensis to 500,000 years ago and then disappearing approximately 30,000 years ago. H. sapiens (archaic humans) dates back to 300,000 years ago and H. sapiens sapiens (modern humans) to 100,000 years ago.

P.S. -- Recently scientists have identified a new hominid species.

[Ninong]

More on the Neandertal genome project in Scientific American, Nov. 15, 2006.

[schrocat]

Startled Minister wakes up surrounded by zombies.

Quits in dismay.

"To tell you the truth, I feel like there are literally millions of evangelical Christians that don't have a home right now," Hunter said.

[Ninong]

Jesus would want us to care about poverty??? I don't think so! That guy better go back and read his Bible some more. He sounds like one of those creepy commie liberals to me. As everyone knows, it's stem-cell research and gay marriage that Jesus warned us about. And immigration!


President-elect of Christian Coalition resigns

Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla. - The Reverend elected to take over as president of the Christian Coalition of America said he will not assume the role because of differences in philosophy.

The Rev. Joel Hunter, of Longwood's Northland, A Church Distributed, said Wednesday that the national group would not let him expand the organization's agenda beyond opposing abortion and gay marriage.

This is the latest setback for the group founded in 1989 by religious broadcaster the Rev. Pat Robertson. Four states - Georgia, Alabama, Iowa and Ohio - have decided to split from the group over concerns it's changing direction on issues like the minimum wage, the environment and Internet law instead of core issues like abortion and same-sex marriage.

Hunter, who was scheduled to take over the socially conservative political group Jan. 1, said he had hoped to focus on issues such as poverty and the environment.

"These are issues that Jesus would want us to care about," Hunter said.

[SPasse]

George,

"The national group would not let him expand the organization's agenda beyond opposing abortion and gay marriage."

I guess the key word for me is "beyond"

The bible clearly does state:

Immigration:

Leviticus, 19:33-34:

“And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him. The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”

Poverty: (Two of many quotes)

Proverbs 14:31– Those who oppress the poor insult their Maker, but those who are kind to the needy honor him.

Psalms 41: 1-3 – 1 Happy are those who consider the poor; the Lord delivers them in the day of trouble. 2 The Lord protects them and keeps them alive; they are called happy in the land. You do not give them up to the will of their enemies.

The Environment (Two of many)

(1st John 1:7, Titus 2:11-15)

Continually live a life of obedience to God in the area of creation stewardship, and teach others about caring for God’s creation

I can't remember who's quote this is" "Christianity is an interesting concept, we should try it sometime"

Regards,

Scott

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by SPasse

The bible clearly does state:

Immigration:

Leviticus, 19:33-34:

“And if a stranger dwells with you in your land, you shall not mistreat him. The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”

Maybe you should read a little further in Leviticus because it looks like he changed his mind about how you should treat strangers when he got to 25:45:

"Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession."

That was right after Leviticus said it was OK to buy slaves from the neighboring "heathens." In fact, Leviticus, 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Why can't I own Canadians? Most of them already speak English!

And if they get uppity, I can point out that St. Paul explicitly urged slaves to "obey your masters."

Leviticus 19:19 says that I can't wear garments mingled of linen and woollen. What about cotton and wool blends? Would that be OK? I think he should have forbidden cotton and polyester blends instead, they're icky!

Leviticus 20:9 says that everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. What about someone who once got drunk and punched his father out? Should he be put to death? If so, the current president would have been stoned to death a long time ago.

Leviticus 20:27 says that we must stone Harry Potter to death. What about J. K. Rowling? Does she get it, too?

Leviticus 20:14 says that if someone sleeps with his mother-in-law they must both be burnt at the stake.

And Leviticus 24:14 says that anyone who curses without the camp, let all the congregation stone him.

What if someone gets upset because his favorite NFL team just lost a playoff game and he curseth profusely. Could we just get the congregation together and burn him at the stake or do we have to round up a bunch of stones to stone him to death? What are our options here, especially if we can't find enough stones?

Remember that the word of God is eternal and unchanging and the Bible is the word of God. We don't get to pick and choose which passages to obey and which ones to ignore. It's either all true or none of it is true. You shouldn't be able to pick out the parts you agree with and disregard the parts that seem ridiculous.

Poverty:

Matthew 19:19-24:

19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

This is obviously extreme socialism and it is not meant to be taken literally, especially by Republicans! I once heard a liberal Democrat use this passage as support for a proposed tax increase on the wealthiest 1% of the population. God wants us to become as rich as possible, everyone knows this!

The Environment (Two of many)

(1st John 1:7, Titus 2:11-15)

Continually live a life of obedience to God in the area of creation stewardship, and teach others about caring for God’s creation

That's a distinctly liberal interpretation of God's word on the environment. You are obviously not reading the same Bible as St. Ann of Coulter, Defender of the Faith-Based Initiatives:

Enviromentalism

• "The ethic of conservation is the explicit abnegation of man's dominion over the Earth. The lower species are here for our use. God said so: Go forth, be fruitful, multiply, and rape the planet--it's yours. That's our job: drilling, mining and stripping. Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view. Big gas-guzzling cars with phones and CD players and wet bars -- that's the Biblical view."
  • Oil Good; Democrats bad; October 12, 2000.

• "God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"
  • Fox News; Hannity & Colmes; June 20, 2001.
  • (References to Genesis 1:28. See also Dominionism)

[SPasse]

George,

Well, there is much of Leviticus that is no longer followed (Old Covenant)

Probations against eating shellfish, pork etc.

I don't imagine that "burnt offerings" have much place in modern society either.

We could trade examples endlessly.

The new testament as you pointed out, doesn't have a lot of good things to say about wealth.

I have always found "prosperity theology" I.E. driving your Mercedes through the pearly gates" especially odious… Some of the TBN crowd is especially bad in this regard.

Regards,

Scott

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by SPasse

Well, there is much of Leviticus that is no longer followed (Old Covenant)

Really? Since when? Remember, we're talking about fundamentalist Christians here. Hard core Baptist fundamentalists. Hard core Pentecostals. Hard core Jehovah's Witnesses.

People like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, two typical fundamentalist Baptists.

What you're proposing, that some parts of the Old Testament are no longer relevant, is heresy to the bunch at Bob Jones University or Oral Roberts University or Liberty University. Regent U., too.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by SPasse

I don't imagine that "burnt offerings" have much place in modern society either.

That's like saying that NOTHING in the Bible makes any sense in "modern society." In other words, modern society gets to pick and choose, right? They get to decide which parts of the Bible fit in with their particular prejudices and only accept the goofy parts that they like and ignore the goofy parts they don't like.

Remember that this thread is about Dr. Dino and his followers who believe that the Book of Genesis describes how the world was created by God in six days 6,000 years ago. Anyone who believes in Genesis believes in the Noah's Ark myth, too. And if they believe that, then they have to believe in burnt offerings because God ordered Noah to burn millions of "clean beasts" and "clean fowl" that he had just gone to all the trouble of saving. According to Genesis, it was because the Lord enjoyed the sweet smell of burning animals:

“And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar. And the Lord smelled a sweet savour.” (Genesis 8:20-21).

I doubt that Rev. Falwell would say that it's OK to believe the part about squeezing 100 million animals into that little bitty boat with one tiny window and then not believe the part about the burnt offerings.

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YOU seem to have no problem "picking and choosing" Ninong - not to mention judging everyone and poking fun at people that aren't as informed ( your opinon) or that have the time to write lenghty comments on threads,etc. Wow- I wish I was perfect like you. What do you actually believe in besides pointing out all the negatives/mistakes of everybody else and judging a whole group ( millions) of people for beleiving in something greater than themselves? New Testament= Faith, not works or deeds like the Old Testament. Since I don't think your a guy with a lot of faith about much of anything but yourself - I dont think you qualify as an expert regarding it.

I expect this reply/comment will be taken out as a personal attack, but of coarse it is ok for you to "personally" attack others for their way of life or beliefs. OR maybe I am not getting it and this is your "sence of humor" and I am taking these comments, and most others of yours, way to seriously. If so, then I apologize.

[Ninong]

I admit that I enjoy pointing out just how ridiculous some people are. People like "Dr. Dino," the object of ridicule in this thread. And anyone who buys into his scam has to be incredibly stupid.

It is beyond my feeble comprehension that anyone would seriously defend the absurd belief that the world was created 6,000 years ago. Were those folks born stupid or did they acquire it through some failure in parenting? Or maybe it was environmental? Perhaps a combination of both?