Non-native species and the immune system

[ccull]

and you miss all sorts of soap operas.. bragging about one's income when attempting to act like someone is not bothering you (missing the point that the more you go on about how someone doesn't bother you sort of just proves that they do) is a bit much though. flame back and forth all you want but don't turn it into a **** swinging contest. wg: "you quack me up", this was too good!

[schrocat]

Ok...enough!

can we please try not to get personal.

Thanks

[Salty Dog]

Originally posted by wgscott
You quack me up.

Yet again after being presented with the REAL facts.........not twisted into little sarcastic conceited statements, your only response is as usual a childish attempt to trivialize others lives, careers, opinions, intelligence etc.

I wonder what it is that you do for a living that swells you with such pride and makes you feel compelled to attack others??

Or are you just another poor bitter soul that uses verbal jibes to make yourself feel better about a life wasted on the end of the bench, bottom of the ladder, base of the hill etc......who annoys the hell out of everyone with your woulda, coulda, shoulda stories??

Man, it must suck to look at the world through your $hit-stained glasses.

[Salty Dog]

Originally posted by ccull
(missing the point that the more you go on about how someone doesn't bother you sort of just proves that they do)

Not where I come from. If someone insults you to your face do you just walk away and say nothing.........I sure don't. That is why cowards love the net, it allows them to say things that in real life they never would........without needing stitches afterward. I simply choose not to let stupid childish comments by stupid childish people go unanswered. It is a simple matter of having self respect and pride in how you live your life.

As I said already if we were all in a room face to face I PROMISE you 99% of the stupid trash would never be spoken and sometimes people need to be reminded of that...........does that mean I let it bother me?? I hope you are not serious. If you let ANYTHING bother you that appears on your screen from some twit from who knows where then you got bigger problems

[Ninong]

Originally posted by schrocat
Ok...enough!

can we please try not to get personal.

Thanks

Hi Schro ~

Well, that worked just fine, didn't it?

N I N N G

P.S. - I think you just got run over. :eek3: You may need one of those high-velocity cervical adjustments.

[ccull]

heh - ok, captain miss-the-point. YOU are the one that goes on paragraph after paragraph about how wg doesn't bother you, which just proves that he does. you seriously need to get over your insecurities about your chosen profession's reputation dude.

[Salty Dog]

Originally posted by ccull
heh - ok, captain miss-the-point. YOU are the one that goes on paragraph after paragraph about how wg doesn't bother you, which just proves that he does. you seriously need to get over your insecurities about your chosen profession's reputation dude.

Obviously you did not understand my last post. If you are someone who lets others insult him all day and just sits there not defending yourself then that's fine...........I am not, so when someone takes a sacrcastic, unprovoked shot at me I respond accordingly. I asked a simple question in a thread like everyone else does 100 times a day and I get nothing but insults in return...........I guess according to you I should have just kept quiet and said nothing..........to me that makes the insults true if you are unwilling to defend yourself.

As far as my responses meaning that he bothers me I suggest you go back and read my list on why people like can NEVER bother me, if my situation was different maybe it would but as of today he is just another ignorant poster that needs to learn that rude comments don't fly in real life so why use them here???

As far as insecurities and reputations again read the list man. The only reputation I care about is the one I have with my patients and community, not some sad, bitter wanna-be something but never could so I'll bash everyone else kinda guy on the web

I'm sure you will analize this in your own way anyway so

[schrocat]

Ninong,

I'm just glad it isn't me this time...

The good news is I read (somewhere up there) that somebody isn't bothered by anyones opinions so...we'll see if "non caring" can stop this exchange.

I never did find out about the 97% Epstein-Barr stat...how bout yourself?

later,

[Salty Dog]

Just to clarify I do not use high velocity manipulation. Dad always told me to succeed you have to offer something that isn't available in every town, at every office. I chose to specialize and become Board Certified in my work. Here is a link describing my work(no that is not me Schrocat ) There are less then 400 DC's in the world certified to do this work and as far as quackery goes it is currently being reviewed for incorporation into 6 different hospital systems in NY and Michigan after an MD in Minnesota figured out how to bill 1,500 for this work as a "closed reduction" money talks I guess. Sadly not having enough people know this work is what I fear will doom this expansion cause the ones who are the best have no interest in leaving a cushy practice

Anyway read if you want..........or just come up with a different sarcastic comment because that one doesn't really apply to me;)

www.atlasorthogonality.com

[Ninong]

IF we promise no more sarcastic comments, will you promise no more free commercials?

Ninong

[Salty Dog]

It was just general information


You got a deal

[wgscott]

From the Centers for Disease Control:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/ebv.htm

Epstein-Barr virus, frequently referred to as EBV, is a member of the herpesvirus family and one of the most common human viruses. The virus occurs worldwide, and most people become infected with EBV sometime during their lives. In the United States, as many as 95% of adults between 35 and 40 years of age have been infected. Infants become susceptible to EBV as soon as maternal antibody protection (present at birth) disappears. Many children become infected with EBV, and these infections usually cause no symptoms or are indistinguishable from the other mild, brief illnesses of childhood. In the United States and in other developed countries, many persons are not infected with EBV in their childhood years. When infection with EBV occurs during adolescence or young adulthood, it causes infectious mononucleosis 35% to 50% of the time.

[Salty Dog]

A late event in a very few carriers of this virus is the emergence of Burkitt's lymphoma and nasopharyngeal carcinoma, two rare cancers that are not normally found in the United States. EBV appears to play an important role in these malignancies, but is probably not the sole cause of disease.

Boy do I feel dumb because I didn't learn that useful snipit of info in school .......those rare cancers not normally found in the USA is something I wish I had focused on more

Seriously though.....interesting read. A little too vague for my taste but still interesting. How exactly did they arive at that figure??

False-positive results may be found in a small number of patients, and false-negative results may be obtained in 10% to 15% of patients, primarily in children younger than 10 years of age.

:eek3: :eek3:

Laboratory tests are not always foolproof. For various reasons, false-positive and false-negative results can occur for any test.

:eek3:

In many people, detection of antibody to the early antigen is a sign of active infection, but 20% of healthy people may have this antibody for years.

So it's not a sign of active infection if found in the 20% of healthy people

Therefore, interpretation of laboratory results is somewhat complex and should be left to physicians who are familiar with EBV testing and who have access to the entire clinical picture of a person. To determine if EBV infection is associated with a current illness, consult with an experienced physician.

Translation...............ummmm We are mostly guessing;)

Before you get your shorts in a bunch...........I am just busting your bells man. I get what they mean, EBV is pretty common. Your original statement was a bit confusing though.

97% of Americans have Epstein Barr virus, a herpes virus that causes mononucleosis, for example, and some cancers.

97% of Americans by age 40 having exposure, maybe(imposible to say for sure) (The by age 40 part totally changes the meaning)
97% of Americans by age 40 have been exposed to many viruses so who cares anyway?? Not to mention that 9 out of 10 times you will be told it's the flu anyway........They have no treatment for either one so who cares???? They can treat the symptoms........wait that's all medicine treats in every case

Now if you would have just put up the link and skipped all the sarcastic name calling in between we probably could have had a nice funny back and forth about this subject...........which is all I wanted in the first place.

P.S. I didn't even mention the flood of antibiotics that these poor people with viral infections are given to fight off those ever so dangerous "secondary infections" Why doesn't anyone trust the natural immune system anymore?? If more people would let a fever run it's course instead of gulping pills to supress it they would see that is the best way to stop a virus(heat) so the body can attack and kill it............It's not fun, but hey your not supposed to feel good......your sick!!!

[wgscott]

The more you try to brazen your way out of this, the more you look foolish. However, I am certain the CDC in Atlanta would be very interested in your erudite critique.

By the way, antibiotics are what M.D.s use to treat bacterial infections, not viruses. There are however very effective drugs for use against the various members of the herpes virus family. These include drugs that target thymadine kinase or are used as its substrates. Thymadine kinase is only expressed in cells infected with the virus, and is required for its replication. Compounds such as acyclovir, which is essentially guanosine with the 2' and 3' carbons removed, are substrates for thymadine kinase, and the phosphorylated acyclovir then is a chain-terminator that stops viral reproduction. The best part is the acyclovir drug is not processed by cells that are not infected with the virus, so it kills the virus without harming the rest of the body. It is therefore pretty close to the perfect drug.

By the way, have you ever seen a herpes infection of the eye, for example? Next time you see a little kid with a herpes outbreak in the eye, why don't you tell him how the evil allopaths are throwing drugs down his throat because they don't trust his immune system to eventually get the upper hand and put the infection into remission for another year while he loses use of the eye in the process. Then you can give him a vertebral massage to make him feel better, and hopefully he won't have to spend the rest of his life in a Striker mount with some of the other victims of the caring, board-certified practicioners of your fine trade.

I like to think there is a special place in hell where the TV faith-healers who rip off money from little old ladies will fry in eternity. Say hi to them for me when you visit, ok?

[ccull]

"They can treat the symptoms........wait that's all medicine treats in every case" sheesh. ok, i'm changing my nick for you from captain miss-the-point to captain-reinforce-the-stereotype.

[Salty Dog]

Originally posted by wgscott
By the way, antibiotics are what M.D.s use to treat bacterial infections, not viruses.

Read my post again. I was refering to the Antibiotics given to people with common viral infections and symptoms of the common cold and flu. They are given to avoid "secondary infections" which is laughable. Why can't they just say that they give them out so people feel better that they have a pill to swallow???

There are however very effective drugs for use against the various members of the herpes virus family. These include drugs that target thymadine kinase or are used as its substrates. Thymadine kinase is only expressed in cells infected with the virus, and is required for its replication. Compounds such as acyclovir, which is essentially guanosine with the 2' and 3' carbons removed, are substrates for thymadine kinase, and the phosphorylated acyclovir then is a chain-terminator that stops viral reproduction. The best part is the acyclovir drug is not processed by cells that are not infected with the virus, so it kills the virus without harming the rest of the body. It is therefore pretty close to the perfect drug.

Someone is trying his very very hardest to sound smart

By the way, have you ever seen a herpes infection of the eye, for example? Next time you see a little kid with a herpes outbreak in the eye, why don't you tell him how the evil allopaths are throwing drugs down his throat because they don't trust his immune system to eventually get the upper hand and put the infection into remission for another year while he loses use of the eye in the process.

Don't try to make me sound like some Christian Science guy who lets people fester and die from easily controlled illness because I want them to be natural. What you described is a great example of how and when drugs should and need to be used...........when the body is clearly losing the battle you need to step in and help it out. What bothers me is the countless rounds of antibiotics for sore throats and medicines to supress natural healthy responses like coughing, fever and runny noses all because we don't like to "feel" sick. To state that I would watch a child lose an eye because I don't like medicine id truely the dumbest statement you have made to date(and that is no small accomplishment)


Then you can give him a vertebral massage to make him feel better, and hopefully he won't have to spend the rest of his life in a Striker mount with some of the other victims of the caring, board-certified practicioners of your fine trade.

I have no idea what that even means considering there has NEVER been a recorded injury or for that matter any claim of one from Atlas Orthogonal care so maybe once again you need to check your facts

I like to think there is a special place in hell where the TV faith-healers who rip off money from little old ladies will fry in eternity. Say hi to them for me when you visit, ok?

I'm sorry I didn't catch what you do for a living???

This is the icing on your cake of stupidity I suggest that you check out this article in JAMA Vol 284 July 26 2000.

It clearly lists 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic(Dr caused) treatments making MD's the 3rd leading cause of death in America behind Cancer and Heart Disease. That is the result of all these "perfect drugs" and wonders of medicine you are so fond of. I wonder what you would say if chiropractors killed just 5 people a year ..............hmmmm I wonder why my malpractice insurance is only a fraction of MD's????

Sorry pal but if all these guys die first hell will be too full for me


Try to answer some time without twisting the truth or putting statements in your own words.

[Salty Dog]

Originally posted by ccull
"They can treat the symptoms........wait that's all medicine treats in every case" sheesh. ok, i'm changing my nick for you from captain miss-the-point to captain-reinforce-the-stereotype.

Please elaborate on what it is that medicine does other then treat symptoms????

[ccull]

oooh oooh oooh i can answer "hmmmm I wonder why my malpractice insurance is only a fraction of MD's", it's for the same reason mine is, quackopracter's don't practice real medicine (i'm a network engineer if you're wondering)

[Ninong]

Salty Dog ~

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten...

There, that's much better. I promised no more sarcastic comments, remember. (Boy, this self-restraint stuff is a lot harder than I thought.)

Originally posted by Salty Dog:
I'm sorry I didn't catch what you do for a living???

Why do you keep missing so much in the threads you initiate? Did you guys practice on each other's necks back in Davenport? ;)

Don't you remember your very first post on reefs.org, as Crabby, back in January 2000, the one that was closed? And the two subsequent threads you initiated, as Salty Dog, that were also closed? And the half dozen other GARF threads that were running at the same time? You should remember, you posted to all of them while cramming to graduate from the Chiropracter Academy. Well, in one of your threads wgscott answered the question that you just posed again. Surely your memory is better than mine since you are less than half my age. (P.S.-Here's a clue: wg has three different board names on three different boards. I believe you have three different board names on four different boards.)

(I see from this current thread that you didn't take a vow of poverty while in Nepal. Whiplash must be very profitable. ) OK, if that counts as sarcastic, you get another free infomercial.

Originally posted by Salty Dog:
Someone is trying his very very hardest to sound smart.

Why do you say stuff like that? The guy uses his real name as his board name, he's published in peer reviewed journals, look it up.;;

Why would he have to try very, very hard to sound smart in a field in which he has a Ph.D.?

• Biophysical Chemistry and Structural Molecular Biology ...to understand how RNA can have enzymatic activity, how proteins and drugs interact with RNA, and how protein enzymes and receptors function.
  
• Structure and Mechanism of RNA Enzymes
  
• Structure and Function of Proteins, RNA/Drug and RNA/Protein Complexes

You know something? When people read this thread, they will remember only two things:

• WGScott got off some very funny, slightly sarcastic comments and...
  
• You lost your cool and resorted to foul-mouthed language and name calling.

You shouldn't let yourself be so easily rattled.

Ninong

[wgscott]

To paraphrase Ninong, try not to pop an artery: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entre...&dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entre...&dopt=Abstract

or get on people's nerves: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov:80/entre...&dopt=Abstract