[Irvine]

Originally Posted by Qcks

Any sane US citizen should recognize the dangers of fundamentalst christianity, being that it's the original terrorist religion in the US. The key isn't that it's a religion, it that it's a fundamental religion. Fundamentalism clearly demonstrates a disconnect from reality. Thing can't go back to the way they were, and it's craziness to think otherwise.

Wow! I cant believe you actually said that, are you fan of Rosie O'Donnell by any chance? there's a difference between fundamentalist christianity and terrorists, the early Christians, mostly Jews were fundamentalist, they would not compromise their faith, most of whom died because of it. were these terrorists? please dont confuse Christianity with Islam.

And no, America will not go back to the Christian based society it once was, (how awful it must have been back then, huh) the US will continue to spiral downward in its Liberal filth and decadence, after all, their is no such thing as sin anymore, just alternative lifestyles, mocking God all the way to Armageddon, and One does'nt have to be particularly religious to see it coming.

[Qcks]

i'm going to ask this once....

You sure you really want ot go over this with me? If the answers no... i'm willing to let the Ad hominem slide, and I'll forget the existence of the above post....

[greenbean36191]

Army of God (GRAPHIC PHOTOS!)

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by greenbean36191

Army of God (GRAPHIC PHOTOS!)

Christian terrorists do not exist, everyone knows this. You're just trying to stir up stuff, as usual.



P.S. -- Speaking of The Army of God terrorists, looks like God inspired this lady to write down the license plate number on James Kopp's car, which led to his arrest.

I noticed on The Army of God website that some of those terrorists are still using the title of Reverend. I guess that means their church doesn't consider their terrorist acts deserving of defrocking? At least the Presbyterian church defrocked and excommunicated Rev. Paul Hill after he murdered two people and seriously wounded a third. The Army of God and Operation Rescue consider him a martyr.

According to The Army of God website, Rev. Michael Bray, the Lutheran minister, is still using the title of reverend, so I guess that means the Lutheran church didn't defrock him after he was sentenced to prison for all those bombings he carried out?

And Rev. Donald Spitz, Pentecostal minister, is still claiming the title of reverend. I'm not sure if the Pentecostals practice "defrocking" like the Catholics, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Anglicans and most other Christian denominations that ordain their ministers. I have a hunch it's not part of Baptist tradition or they would have defrocked Rev. Fred Phelps by now. They should have defrocked Jerry Falwell, too, except that most of them agreed with his ignorant bigotry. Falwell was never as bad as Fred Phelps but he did say on more than one occasion that he believed in the literal truth of the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. You could go to jail for practicing what the Old Testament teaches.

[Ninong]

While we're on the topic of Christian terrorists and The Army of God, I would be remiss if I didn't say something about their patron saint, Eric Rudolph.

Eric Rudolph is an extreme right-wing Catholic. His mother, Patricia, was once a novice in a Catholic convent. She dropped out shortly before taking her vows. These people are really, really whacked out. Think of Mel Gibson on steroids.

After her husband died of cancer, Pat Rudolph move to rural North Carolina with her six kids (five sons and a daughter) to follow a fellow Christian Identity-white supremacist zealot.

Eric was taught by his mother to be extremely xenophobic, homophobic and anti-Semitic. It's part of their belief system. They believe the Bible was written by God for the white race exclusively. White Europeans are the true chosen people. One of their core beliefs is that Eve was seduced by the serpent and impregnated with Cain, who became the Satanic ancestor of the Jews.

[Ninong]

We return now to our regularly scheduled programming:

BlueGrassRoots visited the new Creation Museum and posted lots and lots of pictures!

Early in the museum, the visitor is given advice on the proper mind frame to have for your visit: "Don’t think, just listen and believe." As you can see in the picture below, Human Reason is the enemy and God’s Word is the hero. Descartes represents Human Reason, saying "I think, therefore I am." But God tells us there's no need to waste your beautiful mind, for God says "I am that I am."

So logic, reason and science are Bad; blind faith is Good.

"Reason" says the planets formed billions of years ago. God’s Word says only 6,000 years ago.

“Reason” says the evolution began 14 billion years ago. God’s Word says creation began 6,000.years ago.

Check it out, it's really wild! It's sad to think that in the 21st century, people would actually teach this crap to innocent children. It's child abuse.


Je pense, donc je suis.
Cogito, ergo sum.
I think, therefore I am.

[weez1959]

Originally Posted by Ninong

Look what I found on YouTube. It's Ken Ham telling the little children all about the evils of evolution and how God created the dinosaurs on the sixth day.

Near the end of the clip, a couple of high school kids are asked what they want to be when they grow up and one dude says he's going to be a biochemist and "win a Nobel prize in creationism." He intends to study biochemistry at the Creation Science Institute. That sounds worse than studying law at Regent University.

Is this for real!?!

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by weez1959

Is this for real!?!

It's all make-believe, just as their Creation Museum is an attempt at make-believe science. They are a pathetic bunch of losers who are inflicting their wilfull ignorance on innocent children.

It's no accident that they teach their children that reason and logic are bad. They couldn't possibly peddle their nonsense to any thinking person. They have to start them off young believing that rational thought is the work of the devil. They must accept what they are taught in creation science class without thinking about how ridiculous it truly is.

The vegetarian velociraptors as domesticated pets in the Garden of Eden was a nice touch. Can you imagine some poor child trying to explain that to his high-school biology teacher ten years from now? No wonder so many of them believe in home schooling. They don't want their children to learn the truth.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Irvine

there's a difference between fundamentalist christianity and terrorists, the early Christians, mostly Jews were fundamentalist, they would not compromise their faith, most of whom died because of it. were these terrorists? please dont confuse Christianity with Islam.

Religious fundamentalism is not restricted to any one religion. In the theological context, a fundamentalist is one who believes in the literal truth of his religion's Holy Scriptures. For Christians, this would be the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. For members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, it would be the Bible plus the Book of Mormon. For Muslims, it would be the Koran. For Jews, it would be the Torah plus other ancient texts.

Just because a person claims to be a member of a certain religion and professes a belief in his religion's holy books doesn't make him a fundamentalist. To be a fundamentalist, one must believe that the texts are the inerrant Word of God and that they must be adhered to quite literally. In practice this is impractical because virtually all countries have laws prohibiting many of the teachings of the Bible and the Koran. Such legal prohibitions vary from country to country. For example, stoning is frowned upon in the U.S. but it is still practiced in some Islamic countries.

Fundamentalists believe that society must be changed to conform to the tenets of their holy books. For example, the late Rev. Jerry Falwell, who believed in biblical inerrancy, wanted to abolish all public schools in this country -- his goal was for ALL schools to be run by Christian churches. Someone who truly believes in biblical inerrancy is required by that belief to work towards establishing a form of government that accepts biblical teachings as the country's legal foundation. Fortunately for the rest of us, there is little hope that such a system will ever be established in this country. However, Sharia law, which is based on the Koran, is practiced in many Muslim countries.

We were horrified when we viewed recent videos out of Iraq showing the men of the family stoning a young girl to death because she was suspected of sexual intercourse with a young boy of a different religious sect but that is what they believe their religion requires. In this particular case, the postmortem examination determined that the young woman was a virgin, so I guess she was stoned to death for merely dating someone of the wrong religion. The Christian Bible mandates stoning for a number of infractions. I could list them all but it would take up a lot of space. Suffice it to say that anyone who attempted to follow the teachings of the Old Testament literally would quickly go to prison in this country.

And no, America will not go back to the Christian based society it once was, (how awful it must have been back then, huh)

In you're referring to something like the Salem witch trials, then I would agree with you that it was awful back then.

However, you seem to believe that the government of the United States of America was founded on the Christian religion. This is a myth. For starters, many of our Founding Fathers were Deists, and not Christians in the same sense as Christians are understood today.

All of that is moot however, because, by law, the United States of America "is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." I'm not talking about the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution (which also confirms this point), I'm talking about the Treaty of Tripoli, which was approved by President John Adams and Secretary of State Timothy Pickering and ratified by the Senate by a unamious vote.

Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli begins with this statement of fact: "As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion;..."

Official records show that after President John Adams sent the treaty to the Senate for ratification in May of 1797, the entire treaty was read aloud on the Senate floor, including the famous words in Article 11, and copies were printed for every Senator. A committee considered the treaty and recommended ratification, and the treaty was ratified by a unanimous vote of all 23 Senators. The treaty was reprinted in full in three newspapers, two in Philadelphia (the nation's capital) and one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.

It is a modern misconception that this country was founded on the Christian religion. The Founding Fathers went out of their way to make sure that the country's laws were free of religious doctrine. The United States of America has religious freedom today because it's laws are secular.

...the US will continue to spiral downward in its Liberal filth and decadence, after all, their is no such thing as sin anymore, just alternative lifestyles, mocking God all the way to Armageddon, and One does'nt have to be particularly religious to see it coming.

And when exactly is Armageddon coming? According to Jesus, as quoted in the New Testament, the second coming would be within the lifetimes of that generation. If the Bible is inerrant, then it happened more than 1900 years ago, long before the Book of Revelation was even written. (And, BTW, I can't find anything in the Book of Revelation about a so-called "Rapture." That was invented in the 19th century.) (P.S. -- And Mitt Romney and all practicing Mormons believe that, after his death and resurrection, Jesus Christ toured North America for several weeks.)

Luke 21:25-33 (King James version. I always quote the King James version since it seems to be favored by fundamentalists.)

25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.

26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

29He told them this parable: "Look at the fig tree and all the trees.

30When they sprout leaves, you can see for yourselves and know that summer is near.

31Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near.

32"I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

33Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

John the Devine wrote the Book of Revelation long after Jesus had promised the second coming but he predicted that the second coming was at hand. Rev. Jerry Falwell also claimed that the Antichrist (who is a Jewish male, according to Rev. Falwell) is alive now and will make his presence known within a few years. For more than 1900 years now, many Christians have been predicting the second coming within their lifetimes.

The Book of Revelation opens with the claim by John the Devine that the second coming of Christ is "at hand."

Rev. 1:1-3

1The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

2Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

Could it be that St. John the Devine was wrong? Would that cast doubt on biblical inerrancy?

St. Peter wrongly believed that he was living in "the last times" and that "the end of all things is at hand."

1 Peter 1:20

20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

1 Peter 4:7

7But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

According to Matthew 10:23, Jesus told his disciples that the second coming will occur before the disciples finish preaching in Israel:

23When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

So when exactly is the Second Coming of Christ and the establishment of the Kingdom of Heaven? According to the Word of God, it was supposed to have happened a long, long time ago -- more than 1900 years ago.

P.S. -- Definition of Liberalism:

lib·er·al·ism

noun Definition: 1. progressive views: a belief in tolerance and gradual reform in moral, religious, or political matters

2. politics political theory stressing individualism: a political ideology with its beginnings in western Europe that rejects authoritarian government and defends freedom of speech, association, and religion, and the right to own property

3. economics free-market economics: an economic theory in favor of free competition and minimal government regulation

P.P.S. -- Many people in both the United States and Canada believe Canada to be a more liberal society than the United States. For example, in the 2000 and 2004 U.S. presidential elections, residents of the City of San Francisco -- famously liberal -- gave George W. Bush 15% of the vote. Public opinion polls of Canadians in 2004 showed that only 16% of them had a favorable opinion of U.S. President George W. Bush. Ergo, if Canadians are in agreement with San Franciscans, Canadians are liberals.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Irvine

were these terrorists? please dont confuse Christianity with Islam.

Christians slaughtering Muslims? You mean like during the Crusades?

Hey, what about the Srebrenica massacre? That was the biggest genocide since World War II and it was Muslims who were slaughtered by Christians solely because they were Muslims!!!


Onward Christian soldiers! Screenshot from released video footage showing a Serb Orthodox priest blessing the members of the Serb paramilitary formation Scorpions on June 25, 1995 just a few days before the soldiers participated in the Srebrenica massacre.