[mastaJ]

I am not talking about burning full-lengh movies (fingers crossed, ) However I would like to know how...anyone?

[scubadude]

I havent checked lately but about 4-5 mos. ago the DVD burners where like 5k + cant just use a regular burner to burn DVDs....sorry thats all i know

[mastaJ]

I'm aware that ya can't burn DVD's w/ a regular burner however, I do know that there are many other formats such as DiVX, but, I don't know where to go after that...

[icemark]

Pioneer has a cool new DVD R burner for around $800.00, (Best Buy price) that and using someones software (like Sonic Solutions DVDiT) and a decent P3 computer you can burn any length (up to around 5.5Gig) of DVD movie or music.

This could be played in any DVD player. This is different from the DVD ROM that Panasonic came out with that can not be played in anything but a 'puter or some very very very expensive Panasonic DVD players.

[CaptainK]

Hi MastaJ,
Check out this web site.
It has got some interesting things, but it does have its share of junk.

http://lnkworld.com/dvd.htm

CaptK

[afishybusiness]

Ok, ok. Here's the REAL info. Scrap all those other posts. Here's the best way to burn a dvd, it's much cheaper too. First, start a fire. Soon thereafter, place the dvd somewhere within the fire. THAT'S IT!!! Simple huh?

[Firefish]

You cant burn a DIVX...Also, a DVD burner cd-rom will not let you burn DVD movies onto blank disks, The encription decoders just arn't there yet. People think a DVD movie is just one big file and if you buy a DVD cd-rom burner then you can burn digital quality DVD movies but...DVD movies are made up of over a hundred files, each one using different encription criteria and your DVD player has to decode each file via instructions downloaded from the DVD movie disk. You would have to use a 12000 gig HD to store all the programs to decode every file on a DVD disk...This is the reason why older DVD players will freeze up in the middle of a movie. There is no standard on DVD encription files so over the years as DVD quality grew and new code was written to decode the movies the only way to guarantee you had a DVD player that was able to decode the movies you watch was to buy a new one every year...(this was an issue with Samsung DVD players) three years from now you may have problems with your DVD player decoding all the files on a movie disk. Companys are changing the encription criteria all the time...Think about what would happen if people were able to decode movies on their pc's....Hollywood would loose billions, and that just aint gonna happen without a fight. There are a few web sites out there that say you can decode a full length digital quality DVD movie but it just aint gonna happen. These companys spend billions each year on designing code for that reason alone, the computers that are compressing DVD's encription have storage capacities up in the terra-bytes, I know...I work for a Data storage company (EMC) and I see who buys these 5 million dollar computers...

[icemark]

Sorry firefish you are wrong.

Using DVDiT (used by many professionals to create first print DVDs for Motion picture Studios here in both Northern and Southern CA) http://www.dvdit.com you compress each chapter separately. That is why I recommended it. The standard Mpeg 2 that professional DVD's are encoded with are very very common.

And again DVD ROM is radically different from DVD R. Two different formats. Very much like comparing CD's to DVD (since lame DVD ROM really is just a glorified CD RW). And Divx that lame Circut City format is long dead and not even an issue.

Up until about 3 months ago DVD R burners were only available as part of a custom built Mac based burning station or Pioneers first versions that were around $5000.00. Their new version is around $800.

here is a link for it: http://www.bestbuy.com/ComputersPeri...DVDRWdrive.asp

Now copy protection does require some encoding, but there are several versions of software running around for both Linux and Windows 98/ME for ripping/breaking and re- assembling the code. Either way for the average home movie maker that just wants to be able to play a home made movie on any DVD player it is not an issue.

[Firefish]

There is a differance between copying a real DVD movie from one disk to another and downloading a movie and burning it through your DVD burner. I've looked into this a little bit and there is no way you can go to Blockbuster, rent Matrix and copy it onto a blank cd...if you have a program that lets you do this I'd like to know where you bought it. Also about DIVX, I owned one untill I had the option of returning the unit for a non DIVX unit when they fell through, On the package it states that a DIVX movie is NOT a DVD quality movie and that it's encription is not the same as a DVD. Sure, you may be able to copy a movie onto a cd via a burner and a little programing knowledge but I doubt it is of DVD quality and sound...If you prove me wrong I will eat my words and say you are god

[Sierra-Six]

It is relatively easy to burn dvd's. THe burners do not cost 5k. You can easily purchase them for under 500. The dvd ram I have is a creative labs dvd-ram. It is scsi and you can burn dvd's almost as easy as burning an audio cd.
To do this requires a hack to spoof the encryption. The reason you can decode this is because the US govt. demanded that the motion picture association only utilize a 64k encryption. A citizen in some northern european country figured out how to decode thie encryption and now offers the hack for free since charging for it would result in legal action. I will try to find the link to the site as soon as time will allow me.
This really isn't as cool as you may think it is since the blank dvd's cost $15 bucks to over 50$ per disk. THe more expensive disks allow you to burn a movie on each side. It just isnt cost effective. The only purpose my dvd-ram has now is to backup my desktop. Nothing like a 5.2 gig backup.
I am sorry if this post makes no sense. I have been up for over 24 hours now. I will clarify or try to answer any questions later.

Mike

[Sierra-Six]

try this link. It will answer more than you ever wanted to know.

http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/index.html

You can always try alt2600.com and...

[icemark]

Fire fish

maybe its my bad, but I didn't understand the post to ask to copy full length DVD movies

[mastaJ]

I realize that you can't rent a DVD then burn it...But, I do know you can find a movie on the net, then burn it not to DVD quality but, a lesser quality which is still better than a video but cheaper then buying the movie...AND you can still play it on your own DVD player...Anyone heard of that? Thanxs guys, I will read the links...

[WowAFish]

You wern't real specific on you question. There are many was to burn and were you planning on playing your final to a computer DVD player or a standalone DVD (for TV) player. there is a difference. No you cant simply copy a DVD like a floppy but with DECSS decrypting software a lot of Hard Drive space and a lot of time to waste it is possible. Now if you want to make your own video, burn it to a CDROM, CDRW and play in on a Computer DVD player and a few standalone DVD players, you can use a program like Ulead Video Studio 5 with DVD plugin. I have this and it will not play a CDRW - DVD on my standalone player but it is quite old. It plays fine on my computers DVD rom. The quality is quite good too. Pioneer will soon have a standalone DVR, a DVD stanalone player / recorder but it will be quite expensive. http://www.techtv.com/freshgear/prod...8,5910,00.html Yamaha has lowered the price on it's computer DVD-RW drive to about $800 but this is like the Beta of the VHS Beta wars of before and will probably lose out to the DVD+RW format which will be out soon and has many more backers. The DVD-RW and DVD-R blanks are still quite expensive at $30, $10 each. There are other formats battling it out for the standards right now so it is best to wait about a year or two until the dust settles and a standard is set. My biggest post so far.

[Firefish]

Sierra-six, there is no standard to what a company can use to encript their movies on a DVD disk, They use compatable encription code because if they didn't no one would be able to watch their movies....This is a known fact, Older Samsung DVD players had this problem because they didn't have the latest encription code on their players. Samsung told the consumers that they would replace the receiver if they returned it within a year from the purchase date...Downloading and burning a movie onto a DVD disk and playing it in your receiver does not mean you now have your-self a DVD quality movie...you dont. DVD recievers are able to decode the following movies because when they make DVD's, they put a propriatary (sp?) encription code on the disk, when you load the disk into your receiver it downloads the encription data to the processor and tells the DVD player how to decode the files on the disk and these files cant be copied ...DVD players don't have the ability to decode a DVD movie by itself. When you download a movie and burn it to a disk, you are downloading a movie with its own encription instructions for the reciever, not DVD!!! Just a movie in digital format. If you download "The Matrix" and burn it onto a DVD disk all you have is a movie that can be played on your DVD player, the source of the movie did not come from a REAL DVD ENCRIPTED MOVIE DISK.
Look at it like this...You have three Superman decoder rings, all with their owne instructions on how to read the secret message, You (the DVD player) cant decode the message without reading the instructions on how to decode the message for each ring, and each ring being differant. Now you can read all three instruction sheets because you know english (basic DVD language) but you cant get the secret message (program on DVD disk to tell it how to decode the movie files) untill you know how to decode each ring. Like I said before, to have all the real DVD encription programs you would need around 12,000 gigs of HD space to hold the programs that decode and copy any DVD movie you wanted to. I build these computers for these companys and they are BIG You might be watching movies on your DVD player that you copied or burned but they are not DVD QUALITY MOVIES, only a movie with digital compression in a language your DVD can read, If anybody tells me they can go to Blockbuster, rent a DVD movie and bring it home and copy it onto a DVD disk I will eat my words...

[icemark]

Firefish,

the decoding of DVD's is very easy using an linux based 'puter.

You could do it with a little ol'e P2 with only 128mg or ram.

And the software to do it, is common on the web in Hacker circles.

I am sure that the work stations that your company builds are great for ENCODING/ ENCRYPTING, but decoding is a whole 'nother animal, and easy.

Didn't you see that several studios were reluctant to even put films on DVD because the encryption was broken within the first 3 months of the consumer format being out there? It was in the news everywhere.

Even today Lucas film and several others are very very reluctant to make movies available because the coding was so simple to break. Only now Lucas film is even admitting that DVD might be a vaild format. (we will see when they release their first films).

The other key here is cost. Like several others up there mention a blank DVD-R costs $15 to $30. At that price why not just spend the $20 and buy the DVD?

[mastaJ]

OK, actually what I was thinking was...Find a movie on the net, burn it to a CD-R and play it on my standalone DVD player...any way I can make the question more clear? I KNOW it wouldn't be the quality of a DVD and I'm allright with that...but, it justifies the cost of a brand new DVD...