[Poseidon]

WOW! That is a crock of crap!

Honestly I am surprised that there are not more incidents like the one described above. These college players are placed under enormous pressure, and I am sure that some use performance enhancing meds, and we all the side effects of those...

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Poseidon

I think Joe Pa will be at PSU until he falls over dead.... If he has his way, I'm sure it will be on the sidelines.... You can't really argue with his success, and he seems to hold his recruits accountable for themselves.

According to his Wiki profile, this is his 58th season on the coaching staff at Penn State and his 42nd year as head coach.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Poseidon

WOW! That is a crock of crap!

Honestly I am surprised that there are not more incidents like the one described above. These college players are placed under enormous pressure, and I am sure that some use performance enhancing meds, and we all the side effects of those...

There is definitely something going on there with that report about Perrilloux and at least two other LSU players being involved in a fight with the club's bouncers and guns being involved and threats being involved but you won't find anything about it on any of the mainstream media blogs down here. I just got through checking all of the major newspapers and several of the major TV stations and there is absolutely nothing that I could find about this using "Ryan Perrillous" as the search term.

If you do a Google blog search, you come up with some interesting results. For example, the first report that I read has now been deleted by the board's administrator or one of the moderators. It's an LSU fan board. Here is how it still shows up when you google it:

Perrilloux Arressted? 8 hours ago by bawlinnawlin
Anybody hear anything about Ryan Perrilloux getting arrested for pulling a gun on someone? I heard it from a pretty reliable source but can't find anything about it online. MY HEART IS POUNDING!

Click on that link and you will now get this message: "Invalid thread specified." That means they deleted it.

The long, detailed report that I posted came from an Alabama Crimson Tide fan site. I copied it in full because it, too, may be deleted. Looks like any mention of this incident on an LSU fan site will be deleted.

As of right now, the thread that I copied on that Tide Fans website has been closed by the administrator but you can still read it here.

[Ninong]

Update on the Ryan Perrilloux, Derrick Odom caper:

The Baton Rouge CBS affiliate WAFB-TV reported on this incident a few minutes ago. They named the nightclub involved: The Varsity. They mentioned something about a video of the altercation being posted online. That might be a reference to the security cameras from the club. Someone may have already leaked a clip of what happened??? Or maybe another patron at the club had a video camera handy and used it to film what was going down??? Anyway, the TV station's sports anchor said something about a video clip of the altercation appearing online.

According to that Baton Rouge TV station's report, they called the Baton Rouge Chief of Police and he would neither confirm nor deny any of the details. He said there is an ongoing investigation and they have nothing to report at this time. They contacted LSU and Coach Les Miles and they were informed that there is an ongoing investigation and that they will have nothing to say before a news conference tomorrow.

The TV station is reporting that the main instigators of the fight were Ryan Perrilloux and Derrick Odom. They're claiming that quite a few LSU football players were involved, including Glenn Dorsey, but they said that according to what they had heard from their eyewitness sources, Dorsey was actually trying to break up the fight and calm things down.

From what the TV station's sports anchor heard from an eyewitness, Perrilloux and Odom and other LSU football players took the stage and began performing a "rap." At some point they were asked by management to leave the stage. That's evidently when Perrilloux and Odom (and maybe others???) refused to leave the stage. The club's bouncers were instructed to evict them from the club and that's when a brawl broke out, either inside or outside, I'm not sure which. Probably outside.

If you go back to the original post that I copied from that Bama fan site, Odom may have used a gun to bust up the car windows of some of the club's employees and that may have been captured on the club's security cameras. And that guy is reporting that both Perrilloux and Odom threatened to put some holes in the bouncers. It looks like some people (Odom & ???) returned with a gun(s) around 3 a.m. I can't figure out if Perrilloux really had a gun or not but at least a couple of sources are reporting that Derrick Odom had a gun and is on video tape using it to bust up cars in the club's parking lot.

P.S. -- It's showing up now on the WAFB website. Looks like they confirmed that a police report does exist and it does include the names of Ryan Perrilloux and Derrick Odom but no charges have been filed and no one has been arrested. It's extremely difficult to get arrested in Baton Rouge if you're on the football team, especially when they're going for another national championship.

P.P.S. -- I tried googling Derrick Odom to see if that would work but all I got on him was his priors. Looks like he's got quite a rap sheet. There are now three different posts that show up when you google Ryan Perrilloux in Google blog search that have been deleted by the board's administrator and that's on three different boards. Nobody what's that stuff on their board in case he manages to get off the hook completely. The ownership of the nightclub involved might decide that it would be bad for business to be involved in getting LSU football players kicked off the team and they just might tell the cops that it was all a "big misunderstanding" and that they don't want any charges brought against anybody. That could be the main reason that LSU and the chief of police are refusing to make any comments before the completion of the "ongoing investigation."

[Ninong]

Here is the most recent update on the WAFB-TV website:


More Trouble for Perrilloux and Odom?

Oct 27, 2007 10:51 PM CDT

Two LSU football players possibly known better for what they've done off the field rather than on could be in trouble again. Baton Rouge Police confirm quarterback Ryan Perrilloux and linebacker Derrick Odom were involved in a big fight near the North Gates early Friday morning.

WAFB News and 9 sports has learned that a fight started inside the Varsity Theater and moved to the Chimes Restaurant/Varsity Theater around 2 am Friday morning. A witness inside the club tells 9 News that members of the football team were asked to take the stage and rap for a bit. That witness says up and coming quarterback Ryan Perrilloux and LSU linebacker Derrick Odom were in the group.

We are told the trouble started when bouncers at the Varsity started clearing everyone out, and that the football players refused to get off of the stage. The witness says that is when one of the players punched a bouncer and that is when upwards of forty players and bouncers started fighting.

We are told the fight spilled out into the parking lot behind the Chimes, that LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey was there and that Dorsey did not throw a single punch. Instead, he tried to break up the fight and get his teammates to leave. The witness says at some point, someone involved in the fight yelled he was going to get a gun. However, the witness says he never saw a weapon pulled.

Baton Rouge Police confirm that in their report, both Perrilloux and Odom are mentioned. The witness says that Perrilloux and Odom were the main people involved in keeping the fight going. Baton Rouge Police made no arrests at the scene.

Perrilloux was perhaps the most talented quarterback in the country during his senior year in high school and has played a nice role in LSU's success this season. However, his laundry list of problems off the field is extensive.

LSU has not released any official statement concerning this matter and calls made to the Sports Information Department were not returned. Head coach Les Miles usually has an informal meeting with newspaper reporters on Sunday night, but because this is an off-week, that may change. Miles will certainly meet with the press Monday around noon for his weekly press luncheon.

[Ninong]

No. 16 Hawaii beat New Mexico State 50-13. Colt Brennan threw for 416 yds and 6 TDs. They need to finish in the top 12 in the BCS standings in order to make it into a BCS bowl.

Actually Hawaii was No. 16 in the AP poll, No. 14 in the Coaches poll, No. 14 in the Harris poll but No. 17 in the BCS standings. The computer obviously doesn't think much of the teams they're beating.

[charlie]

Originally Posted by Ninong

Upsets so far:

No. 9 Florida lost to No. 20 Georgia, 42-30.

No. 11 South Florida lost to Connecticut, 22-15.

No. 14 Kentucky lost to Mississippi State, 31-14.

LSU is off this week. Their backup QB Ryan Perrilloux got in trouble with the law again. He was involved in a 20-man brawl outside a bar at 2:00 a.m. Friday. It reportedly involved the club's bouncers evicting a group of people and then some of those people getting bent out of shape over it. Guns may have been involved. It's not being reported yet in the press but it's in the blogs. He might be benched. He's had two other run-ins with the law in the past year.

P.S. -- I just checked Perrilloux's Wikipedia page and found this: "On October 25, 2007, Perrilloux, team mate Derrick Odom and others were involved in a fight at a Baton Rouge nightclub. Legal charges are pending against Perrilloux and Odom, both of whom were alleged to be carrying firearms."

There is nothing about that incident in either the Baton Rouge Advocate or the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Let's see if they can get him out of this one like they got him out of the last one when he was caught carrying counterfeit bills. His other run-in was a misdemeanor summons issued by police when he tried to get into a gambling casino using his older brother's driver's license.

So Fla. loses at home to Georgia, Schrocat, where are you????????

I have been watching ESPN this morning and there has been no mention of this incident yet, that I have heard anyways!!! This isn't what LSU and/or college football needs, that is for sure. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will the NCAA get into it also??????

Congrats Mike, MI. is starting to play like MI. again.

[charlie]

Let's see, no one mentioned USC losing again. It is nice to see a changing of the guard in the Pac 10!!!!


Oh, and how about those U of Montana Grizzlies!!!!!

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by charlie

Let's see, no one mentioned USC losing again. It is nice to see a changing of the guard in the Pac 10!!!

Yeah, some people made a big deal over it, like USC was favored in spite of the fact that Oregon was ranked No. 5 and USC was ranked No. 9 in the AP poll. The BCS standings had USC at No. 12. I don't know what happened to USC. The only game I watched, they looked unbeatable. We don't get much in the way of out-of-the-region football down here in God's country. And they not only never carry hockey, you're lucky if they tell you who won the Stanley Cup after the event.

Down here it's the Saints all the time. Except on Saturdays, when it's LSU all the time. Tulane gets a little play but only if they go undefeated or close to it.

[charlie]

After what happened at that bar, you may be lucky if you can get the local weather this week.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by charlie

I have been watching ESPN this morning and there has been no mention of this incident yet, that I have heard anyways!!!

The only new mention of it that I found this morning is in the Lafayette Sunday newspaper: here.

I imagine that the reason that ESPN hasn't mentioned it is because the Baton Rouge chief of police and the LSU Athletic Department are both refusing to issue a statement, saying that they are still investigating and won't have anything to say until they're finished with their investigation. It would be embarrassing to go national with a story claiming that Ryan Perrilloux and Derrick Odom were involved in some sort of mischief, especially if the word "gun" is included, and then have the chief of police say that it was all just a minor scuffle and no charges will be brought against anyone.

This isn't what LSU and/or college football needs, that is for sure. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Will the NCAA get into it also??????

College football is big business! Really, really big business! Just look at that statium in Baton Rouge with 93,000 people in attendance, some of whom paid scalpers $1,000 a seat. Look at what LSU and other schools with big football programs are paying their head coaches. Speaking of coaches, LSU plays against Nick Saban next week. He should never have left for Miami. And now he's coaching Alabama. LSU was paying him a fortune!

Anyway, have you noticed all the reports lately of college football players being arrested for the sort of crimes we usually associate with the NFL or the NBA? We pamper athletes in this country (this world?) by paying them enormous salaries and many of them can't handle it and go astray. Not everyone is going to end up as saintly as Tiger Woods. Look at Michael Vick and his little brother, Marcus.

There have been a lot of press reports this year of college football players being busted for the dumbest things: unarmed robbery of a convenience store, or whatever. What the hell was that all about? Why would someone hoping to cash in on a career in the NFL after they are automatically graduated risk everything by stealing a couple hundred bucks worth of junk? I think that involved four or five Michigan State players.

[charlie]

Originally Posted by Ninong

The only new mention of it that I found this morning is in the Lafayette Sunday newspaper: here.

I imagine that the reason that ESPN hasn't mentioned it is because the Baton Rouge chief of police and the LSU Athletic Department are both refusing to issue a statement, saying that they are still investigating and won't have anything to say until they're finished with their investigation. It would be embarrassing to go national with a story claiming that Ryan Perrilloux and Derrick Odom were involved in some sort of mischief, especially if the word "gun" is included, and then have the chief of police say that it was all just a minor scuffle and no charges will be brought against anyone.


College football is big business! Really, really big business! Just look at that statium in Baton Rouge with 93,000 people in attendance, some of whom paid scalpers $1,000 a seat. Look at what LSU and other schools with big football programs are paying their head coaches. Speaking of coaches, LSU plays against Nick Saban next week. He should never have left for Miami. And now he's coaching Alabama. LSU was paying him a fortune!

Anyway, have you noticed all the reports lately of college football players being arrested for the sort of crimes we usually associate with the NFL or the NBA? We pamper athletes in this country (this world?) by paying them enormous salaries and many of them can't handle it and go astray. Not everyone is going to end up as saintly as Tiger Woods. Look at Michael Vick and his little brother, Marcus. There have been a lot of press reports this year of college football players being busted for the dumbest things: unarmed robbery of a convenience store, or whatever. What the hell was that all about? Why would someone hoping to cash in on a career in the NFL after they are automatically graduated risk everything by stealing a couple hundred bucks worth of junk? I think that involved four or five Michigan State players.

I honestly have no idea of where this whole thing is heading or where it will end up. You are right, players are pampered. Are these guys actually graduating, or is mommy (?) doing their homework for them????? Is this a product of our society as it stands now, I don't know.
The fact that there has been nothing on ESPN is wierd. They normally don't care, and will report on the incident with a disclaimer that all the facts have not been gathered yet.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by charlie

Are these guys actually graduating, or is mommy (?) doing their homework for them?????

Some schools require their athletes to meet high academic standards and others do not. I think we all know which are which. Certainly the high school athletes know which are which, and sometimes that works to the advantage of schools with excellent academic reputations. Some of these kids are going to leave school after their junior year anyway to enter the draft and many of the ones who do stick it out to graduate, end up with a degree in physical education.

Stanford's rookie QB, the one who beat USC in his first college start, chose Stanford because of their academic excellence. You don't go to Florida State because of their academic reputation.

[charlie]

Nothing more to say about that!!!!!!!!!!!! Geez, and I thought Bobby Bowden always had a good graduation rate.

On another note, are you a big hockey fan, or is that just an example?

[Ninong]

More on the LSU incident:

WWL TV, the New Orleans CBS affiliate, is now covering this incident on their website but it looks like all of their information came from the Baton Rouge CBS affiliate, WAFB, although they do say that they independently verified it themselves by calling the school and the Baton Rouge chief of police.

That report on the WWL website just went up within the past hour.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by charlie

On another note, are you a big hockey fan, or is that just an example?

I can't really claim to be a big hockey fan but I did attend a couple of Sharks' games when I lived in the Bay Area and I did play a little hockey in my early teens in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, where I went to school for three years back in the early 50's.

[charlie]

Originally Posted by Ninong

I can't really claim to be a big hockey fan but I did attend a couple of Sharks' games when I lived in the Bay Area and I did play a little hockey in my early teens in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, where I went to school for three years back in the early 50's.

Wow, a guy that will admit he actually played the game. I never played any organized hockey, but plenty of pond hockey in Chicago. Still got the broken nose to prove it too. They didn't really worry about pads and helmets back then.
I still think that the Stanley Cup is the toughest trophy to win, but then again, I subscribe to Dish Networks Center Ice, and have done that since I have had a satellite dish.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by charlie

Wow, a guy that will admit he actually played the game. I never played any organized hockey, but plenty of pond hockey in Chicago. Still got the broken nose to prove it too. They didn't really worry about pads and helmets back then.

I didn't say it was organized.

It was pond hockey and, being from Louisiana, I wasn't really very good at it. In fact, I fell in the damn pond my first year (I was only 13 in 9th grade) because it was only December 10th and not all areas of the pond were thick enough yet. The water where I fell in was only about 3 to 4-ft deep, so I was lucky in that respect. The deep end was about 8-ft deep. I was able to break my way out to the bank about 50-ft away. I really wasn't cold at all as long as I was in the water but boy was I cold as soon as I got out. My yankee buddies rushed me to the gym showers and I thought I was going to die. They insisted they were using cold water but it felt like scalding hot water. Then they gradually warmed it up. I think the air temperature that day was around 22 F, if I remember correctly. That was 56 years ago but I definitely remember what it felt like as soon as I climbed out of the water.

P.S. -- When I was 13, I asked a kid from Minnesota if snow could stain your clothes. He nearly died laughing. I had never seen snow before in my life. I don't know what possessed me to ask that dumb question. Talk about embarrassing!

[charlie]

Whoa, 4' of water wasn't really that funny was it? We only had about 2' of water to play on, and there were times when we shouldn't have been there. You know, like when the ice is going up and down when you skate over it. But what the heck, we only had about 3 months of ice, so we had to get it done when we could.

[Ninong]

That's all we had was about three months. It usually froze over the first week of December. When I fell in, it was probably just my second day on skates in my life and I was still learning how to skate. As long as you keep gliding and don't stop or try to push off, you can make it over the thin spots. I didn't know that then. Most of the ice was probably about 1-1/2" thick that day but there was this one end of the pond where it was only about 1/2" thick for some reason or other, and yes, it was waving up and down under me and when I slowed up, I broke through.

You would be amazed at how little you know when you're only 13 and have never been more than 50 miles away from home in your life before. It only snows down here near New Orleans about once every 15-20 years. I had never seen snow before in my life up until then.