[Ninong]

Who said Republicans don't believe in recycling?

Here.

[okcalla]

SOOOO not just a republican thing... I mean comon obama admitted to using parts of others speeches prime example Massachusetts Gov. Devall Patrick. Nasty Clinton-Obama Fight Descends To "Plagiarism" Accusations - Politics on The Huffington Post

need I say more?

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by okcalla

SOOOO not just a republican thing... I mean comon obama admitted to using parts of others speeches prime example Massachusetts Gov. Devall Patrick

I'm sorry but I fail to see the comparison. Of course, my eyesight isn't all that great, so maybe you can explain to me how copying whole paragraphs in 20 articles out of 38 compares to using a few words given to you by one of your best friends? According to the News-Sentinel, Timothy Goeglein plagiarized entire paragraphs in 20 of the 38 columns they published.

The White House staffer was caught copying whole sections of articles and passing them off as his own original work. Senator Obama was having a discussion with one of his closest friends, Deval Patrick, and it was Gov. Patrick who urged Sen. Obama to use those lines in his speech. That's certainly not plagiarism.

Gov. Patrick is not only a close personal friend of Sen. Obama, he's also one of his national co-chairmen.

[okcalla]

in school if i turned in a paper with my name on it written by another student i would have been in deep stuff with administration and everyone else whether or not i had permission from the other student. My relation to that student brother sister or co-chair not withstanding. in no way am i saying its right. i'm simply saying democrat or republican it happens both ways. so yes it is plagiarism whether he was encouraged to use it or not his source was not cited the words were used as his own.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by okcalla

so yes it is plagiarism whether he was encouraged to use it or not his source was not cited the words were used as his own.

According to the legal experts consulted by the Republican-leaning Bloomberg News, it's not plagiarism. It was a silly, stupid, desperate attempt by Sen. Hillary Clinton to make something out of nothing. It's what Sen. Obama referred to as "silly politics," and I agree with him.

[okcalla]

in that instance yes its "just silly politics" but since plagiarism is such an important indicator of personality i have to wonder what else has been plagiarized and for the record id rather see obama over hillary. and yes i am a conservative i found bush to be the lesser of 2 evils but that doesn't mean i like him or his politics...

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by okcalla

but since plagiarism is such an important indicator of personality i have to wonder what else has been plagiarized

What plagiarism? There was no plagiarism on the part of Sen. Obama. See the legal opinions solicited by the Bloomberg News.

[okcalla]

oh really now.... you know as well as i do if this were you in an academic setting this would go down as plagiarism. he used the words off someone else without proper citation and acknowledged this after he was called out on it. if he had said something during the speech to credit his friend then fine no foul. fact of the matter is he said nothing to that effect.

[Ninong]

It isn't plagiarism any more than if President Bush delivered a speech written by one of his speechwriters. Sen. Obama paraphrased a couple of lines at the suggeston of his national campaign co-chairman. The catch phrase that he used was "just words" and that was suggested to him by Deval Patrick. Deval Patrick asked him to use that response.

[Ninong]

To accuse Obama of stealing "two lines by somebody who is a colleague of yours is almost like saying you're plagiarizing from your speechwriter,'' said Stephen Hess, a presidential scholar at the Brookings Institution in Washington who was a speechwriter for President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

P.S. -- It's just a wild guess on my part, but I would be willing to bet you that Stephen Hess is a Republican.

[Ninong]

okcalla,

Equating Sen. Obama's use of a couple of lines suggested to him by his national campaign co-chairman with the lifting of entire paragraphs in 20 separate published articles by the White House staffer is ridiculous. I can't believe you are clinging to this absurd position.

Apparently you are not pleased with Sen. Obama's candidacy and are trying to dig up anything you can find to disparage his integrity.

[okcalla]

The act of appropriating the literary composition of another author, or excerpts, ideas, or passages therefrom, and passing the material off as one's own creation.
ucblibraries.colorado.edu/about/glossary.htm

if my brother TELLS me to hand in his ideas or even excerpts thereof IT'S STILL PLAGIARISM. fact is it wasn't his speechwriter that he got that from. he had no part in the formulation of that thought. when there is a speechwriter involved the person giving the speech is still very much involved in the process of writing the speech. so no it is not the same.

[okcalla]

as i said earlier and was my original point... whether democrat or republican "recycling" happens the same. i was merely commenting on the fact you imply only republicans plagiarize.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by okcalla

The act of appropriating the literary composition of another author, or excerpts, ideas, or passages therefrom, and passing the material off as one's own creation.
ucblibraries.colorado.edu/about/glossary.htm

if my brother TELLS me to hand in his ideas or even excerpts thereof IT'S STILL PLAGIARISM. fact is it wasn't his speechwriter that he got that from. he had no part in the formulation of that thought. when there is a speechwriter involved the person giving the speech is still very much involved in the process of writing the speech. so no it is not the same.

I think you've made your point. You disagree with all of the scholastic and legal experts who have been consulted on this episode because you know better.

Your position is absurd and your argument is trivial. I can't believe you don't recognize that yourself.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by okcalla

as i said earlier and was my original point... whether democrat or republican "recycling" happens the same. i was merely commenting on the fact you imply only republicans plagiarize.

I did not imply only Republicans plagiarize. My only comment in this thread before you jumped in was, "Who says Republicans don't believe in recycling?" It was intended as a humorous comment. I didn't expect anyone to equate Sen. Obama's use for a couple of lines in a speech with the written articles that were published by the White House aide who was dismissed for plagiarism.

[okcalla]

Then i apologize for reading into your comment to much. however that is the way it read to me. that and i can't resist a good debate.