[Ninong]

Mini movie "God Bless America," be sure to turn up the audio. And, yes, it's worth the wait: http://www.nultech.com/america.html

Ninong


Facta, non verba. Fiat justitia.

[schrocat]

awesome...
cool link Ninong.
glad I tried it over the big pipe at work, the movie would choke a 56k connection.

[wgscott]

Can't see it. But let me guess: a bunch of Hill and Knowlten PR guys sitting around a table concockting lies and suborning perjury before the US Senate?

[Ninong]

Nope. Just some photos from the disaster sites... victims, rescue workers, lots of American flags, etc., with the Star Spangled Banner and God Bless America for the soundtrack, put together by a patriotic American named Ali. Guess he's not related to the terrorists.

Very mushy and patriotic. Only for the very naive.

Ninong


Facta, non verba. Fiat justitia.

[wgscott]

What is the format? I just get a black screen with dim writing on it that says it is loading but it doesn't (I have a very fast connection).

The above BTW was directed to Schrocat

[wgscott]

Never mind. I got it to work with internet exploder.

Here is another heart-warming story:

http://www.theonion.com/onion3734/wo...flag_cake.html


BTW: They forgot "Play Ball" at the end of the first song.

[wgscott]

Originally posted by Ninong
... Guess he's not related to the terrorists.

Or maybe he needs an alibi.

[wgscott]

[schrocat]

Originally posted by wgscott
Can't see it. But let me guess: a bunch of Hill and Knowlten PR guys sitting around a table concockting lies and suborning perjury before the US Senate?

Ok Salty Scientist...
give me the link that shows these guys purposely channeling this info or testifying 1st person.
I don't care if they had a misinformation snowball find it's way into a Senators speech.

[Ltspd]

Nice link.

[Ninong]

[schrocat]

[wgscott]

Originally posted by schrocat

give me the link that shows these guys purposely channeling this info or testifying 1st person.
I don't care if they had a misinformation snowball find it's way into a Senators speech.

Here it is: http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/rva/1032/1032147.htm

Lauri Fitz-Pegado has coached perjured testimony before Congress. She has served as a lobbyist for the Communist Government in Angola. She has worked for the murderous Duvalier regime in Haiti, a regime which has left us with the tragic legacy we are attempting to deal with today. She has been a hired gun for disreputable foreign interests. She has deliberately attempted to mislead Senators about her past. In short, Lauri Fitz-Pegado has disqualified herself from service in the position to which she has been nominated. None of these facts and allegations were disclosed either to the Chairman or the Ranking Republican of the Banking Committee when her nomination was voted on. Now that Senators have been made aware of Ms. Fitz-Pegado's background, many of them are concerned, and they should be. Lauri Fitz-Pegado has been involved in many questionable activities, and the Banking Committee should have a chance to review them.

One of the reasons why her nomination should be returned to the Banking Committee is to find out more information on her role in orchestrating perjury before Congress and the United Nations Security Council as the representative of "Citizens for a Free Kuwait." In 1990, after the Iraqi invasion of their country, the Kuwaiti Government in exile formed "Citizens for a Free Kuwait." They hired the lobbying firm of Hill & Knowlton to attempt to influence public opinion in the United States toward entering the conflict. Lauri Fitz-Pegado was in charge of the effort. Her strategy was to use alleged witnesses to atrocities to tell stories of human rights violations in occupied Kuwait. Using their testimony live and on video news releases, she orchestrated what has come to be known as "the baby incubator fraud." Ms. Fitz-Pegado first coached a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, identified only at the time as "Nayira," to testify before Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers remove Kuwaiti babies from hospital respirators. Nayira claimed to be a Kuwaiti refugee who had been working as a volunteer in a Kuwaiti hospital throughout the first few weeks of the Iraqi occupation. She said that she had seen the Iraqis take babies out of incubators, take the incubators, and then leave the babies "on the cold floor to die."

Nayira's emotional testimony riveted human rights organizations, the news media, and the Nation. That incident was cited by six Members of the Senate as a reason to go to war with Iraq. However, it was later discovered that the girl--who had only been identified as an escapee from occupied Kuwait--was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States. It also turned out that Lauri Fitz-Pegado had concealed Nayira's real identity. Apologists for Lauri Fitz-Pegado say that she did not hide Nayira's real identity; she told Congressman Tom Lantos who Nayira was. But what Ms. Fitz-Pegado's supporters do not say is that Congressman Lantos' Congressional Human Rights Foundation received rent-free office space from Lauri Fitz-Pegado's firm, Hill & Knowlton. Their telephones were answered by the Hill & Knowlton switchboard, and Citizens for a Free Kuwait made a $50,000 donation to the foundation after the invasion. Instead of apologizing for Lauri Fitz-Pegado, we should be investigating those ties.

Since the congressional testimony of Nayira, every reputable human rights organization and journalist has concluded that the baby incubator story was an outright fabrication. Terrible things were done by the Iraqis, but Nayira never saw what she said she saw. Even a study commissioned later by the Kuwaiti Government could not produce a shred of real evidence that the Ambassador's daughter had managed to do a few weeks of volunteer work in occupied Kuwait--in a hospital overrun by bloodthirsty Iraqis. Again, Fitz-Pegado apologists say otherwise. But tell them that you want Nayira to testify at a formal hearing, on the record, and under oath, and then find out how interested they really are in arriving at the truth. When Lauri Fitz-Pegado was asked to account for the discrepancies between Nayira's account, what Ms. Fitz-Pegado knew, and what the truth really was, she said: "Oh come on John. Who gives a ." The word she used is so foul that it cannot be repeated on the Senate floor.

If the other members of the Banking Committee, Democrat and Republican alike, had been aware of even this limited set of facts during the confirmation process, her nomination would have been rejected by that committee. All of the people who supported this country's involvement in the Gulf war should be offended that Lauri Fitz-Pegado believed that those kinds of illegal and unethical activities were necessary to get this country to face the threat of Saddam Hussein.

[Ninong]

Here's the rest of it:

The main accusation that has been made against her, that the Kuwaiti commercial was fraudulent, has been answered by Ms. Fitz-Pegado. She has stated that she did not know that it was a made-up story. In order to get to the bottom of the controversy, the Commerce Committee arranged to hear from a panel on the issue. That panel was not able to make a case against Lauri Fitz-Pegado; the burden of proof has not been met.


The motion to recommit was defeated 37-61. Her nomination was confirmed.

It is an interesting story, however. I wonder if they hired a wardrobe consultant for the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter to make sure she didn't overdress.

And in conclusion, it is my opinion that Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein have got to go. Deeds, not words. Let justice be done.

Ninong


Facta, non verba. Fiat justitia.

[schrocat]

Thanks Ninong.
Quite an ending.

wg,

" Nayira's emotional testimony riveted human rights organizations, the news media, and the Nation"

Ok where does it say Nayira's emotional testimony riveted the Senate?
Wouldn't that be a requirement for perjury...testifying before the Senate?

[Ltspd]

Here you go.

[Ltspd]

And Another

[Ninong]

Originally posted by schrocat
Ok where does it say Nayira's emotional testimony riveted the Senate?
Wouldn't that be a requirement for perjury...testifying before the Senate?

She testified before congressional committees investigating the situation in Kuwait... same thing. But, hey, maybe she wasn't under oath. "But tell them that you want Nayira to testify at a formal hearing, on the record, and under oath, and then find out how interested they really are in arriving at the truth."

BTW, I see that your hero John McCain voted in favor of allowing Lauri Fitz-Pegado's nomination to go forward. I'm sure that he considered her well qualified for government work.

It is a pity that some PR people find it necessary to make up stuff when there was more than enough evidence of other criminal acts perpetrated by the Iraqis on the Kuwaiti population.

And in conclusion, it is my opinion that Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein have got to go. Deeds, not words. Let justice be done.

Ninong


Facta, non verba. Fiat justitia.

[schrocat]

Ninong,

I thought almost every conflict in history was fueled by a "lie" thrown before a Legislative body.

Tonkin
Robert Jenkins ear

Clinton raised the bar when defining what "is", was...

I'm waaaay to jaded to let this PR firms "testimony" cause me to strike up a torch and grab a few friends.

Oh Well.

[schrocat]

Ltspd,

LMAO!!

Very nice!