[nucleuscracker]

What to do if you fall into a conversation with someone about the terrorist attacks who doesn't believe in retaliation:

1. Engage in conversation, and ask if military force is appropriate.

2. When he says "No," ask, "Why not?"

3. Wait until he says something to the effect of - "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence."

4. When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.

5. When he gets back up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would be awful and he should not cause more violence.

6. Wait until he agrees, and has pledged not to commit additional violence.

7. Punch him in the face again, harder this time.

Repeat steps 5 through 8 until he understands that sometimes it is necessary to punch back.


This is NOT meant to be taken seriously. This is merely a joke post. Take responsibility for yourself and do not blame others for your actions.

[wgscott]

In Bin Laden's mind, the attacks were revenge for 600,000 dead Iraqi's, etc.

I am opposed to the war because it

(a) has nothing to do with preventing terrorism

(b) is, by the FBI's own admission, 100% likely to result in further terrorist attacks

(c) will (and has) killed lots of innocent people in a country where 4.5 million are already on the verge of starvation

(d) won't kill the people who are responsible for the Sept. 11th massacre, which, in my mind, is the only possible justification.

People who are opposed to this war are not all pacifists. I certainly am not one. But anyone who thinks this so-called war is about retaliation for the terrorist attacks or is designed to help bring the perpetrators to justice probably also takes the food aid stunt seriously.

Anyone who follows your ignorant advice with me is going to get their skull fractured, or worse.

[nucleuscracker]

thats your opinion and you're welcome to it here in the good ol USA.

I feel that this war is justified and will support the war until bin laden and his followers are dead.

This is not a war against a religion - never has been and never will be - its a war against terrorism and removing terrorists from the free world.


imo.

[Ninong]

Originally posted by wgscott

In Bin Laden's mind, the attacks were revenge for 600,000 dead Iraqi's, etc.

Bin Laden's mind is twisted. Dead Iraqis only came to his mind recently, his true aim is to establish himself as the Caliph of a new Islamic order, and he will use any handy excuse to incite his so-called followers. The guy is a psychopathic religious megalomaniac who believes some weird stuff (showing restraint since I'm a moderator). Pity his poor four wives (the current four, that is--he had to divorce two before he could take on a couple of younger ones or he would have been over the limit as they say over there).

I am opposed to the war because

I'm opposed to ALL wars, even just wars, but my opposition to war wouldn't stop me from supporting a military response if I felt it was justified.

(a) has nothing to do with preventing terrorism

Nothing is too strong a term here. It does have something to do with preventing terrorism.

(b) is, by the FBI's own admission, 100% likely to result in further terrorist attacks

We didn't need the FBI to figure that out.

(c) will (and has) killed lots of innocent people in a country where 4.5 million are already on the verge of starvation

That is an unfortunate consequence of any military action. Civilians do get killed, but at least it is not our intention to kill innocent civilians, unlike those who attacked the WTC and the Pentagon. And I wouldn't include Taliban militia casualties in the civilian category.

(d) won't kill the people who are responsible for the Sept. 11th massacre, which, in my mind, is the only possible justification.

All of the Taliban leadership and all of the al-Qaida leadership are responsible for the Sept. 11th. massacre, and the bombing of the Cole, and the Khobar Barracks, and our embassies in Africa, and on and on. The Taliban is fully responsible for the acts of Osama bin Laden and he is responsible for acts of war against the United States that have gone on for years now.

But anyone who thinks this so-called war is about retaliation for the terrorist attacks or is designed to help bring the perpetrators to justice probably also takes the food aid stunt seriously.

Dropping MREs is a PR move probably dreamed up by some political appointee from Austin. Obviously 37,500 individual rations dropped per day is not even a drop in the bucket if the need is for 100 times that many.

If you consider the Taliban and al-Qaida as perpetrators, as I do, then I would say that even though it may not be bringing them to justice, it certainly qualifies as bringing justice to them.

Regards,

Ninong

[Firefish]

I agree, we should just sit back, have a Coke and a smile and laugh as these terrorists continue to ruin MY American way of living...FBI says there was a 90% chance of another attack if the USA didn't act, and a 100% chance of an attack when we do. These stats mean squat to me! The terrorists could just be using a fear placebo to get some hearts pumping. In my eyes, if your a pacifist then your for terrorism. The way I see it, you're either for peace in America or for terror in America. This "war" is needed and it will play a Significant part in deterring future terrorists coming to America. The ones that are here...we will find, yes, maybe after another terrorist attack but we will find them. The Taliban will fall and so wont the majority of the terrorism from the middle east. Don't want to sound insensitive but I could care less about the people over there, I live in America, work in America, built my house here in America and will raise my family in America. I don't see any american terrorists in the middle east killing in the name of Jesus Christ. I wont, my wife wont, nor will my children grow up in America in fear of a middle east afgan! So if that means to vaporize all terrorist land in the middle east then you got my vote. I care about my America, my home, my land...not theirs.

Dropping MREs is a PR move probably dreamed up by some political appointee from Austin. Obviously 37,500 individual rations dropped per day is not even a drop in the bucket if the need is for 100 times that many.

...tell that to the 37,500 people a day who nourish their hunger with food other then rice. This is not just a PR move...the citizens over there will realize we're there to help, as best we can. I don't think this stunt is for our approval. It's to turn around the consensus that Americans are evil. It has nothing to do with us. If those citizens like America, it makes our job that much easier over there.

[Ninong]

The Taliban is burning the pallets of MREs as soon as they land. My point is not that it is not a worthwhile goal to provide humanitarian aid to the suffering people of Afghanistan, only that dropping 37,500 MREs daily is more of a publicity stunt than anything substantive. The relief that the U.N. was trying to provide was much more effective but it, too, was thwarted by the Taliban.

Ninong

[Firefish]

I added to my response on that quote...

[Ninong]

Yes, it is important for us to try to reach the Afghan people. It is not so much that our intentions are bad, it's just that 37,500 rations would not go very far even if they were allowed to be distributed to the people. The Taliban shut down the U.N. relief efforts by raiding their warehouses, stealing their vehicles and expelling their workers. Hopefully the situation will improve within the next week or two so that U.N. relief efforts (which are strongly backed by the U.S.) can resume.

ABC News: Acknowledging the inherent weaknesses of the food airdrops, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said it was only a first step. "The preferred way to deliver food is not from the air, it is from the ground," he told reporters in Washington on Tuesday. "And to do that, one has to create a situation on the ground where that's possible."


Ninong

[nucleuscracker]

ninong and firefish - i agree 110 with what you have said. If United States were to turn the other way on what has happened here in the US - it would be setting us up for more of the same. We need to stop what evil lurks in our world before it gets out of hand (is it too late?)

The foods drops are a waste of time I feel - like Rumsfelf said, delivery of food in person will be more effective but in order for that to happen we need to make it possible.

The Taliban has ruined many lives and will continue to do so until they are stopped and who better then the USA and its allies.

Did I hear correctly that its thought that bin laden has been financing the Taliban?

[FishKid]

I say we hit 'em once, and hard! instead of systematically wiping out their com system, JUST BUM RUSH 'EM!

mark

[Ninong]

>Did I hear correctly that its thought that bin laden has been financing the Taliban?

Who isn't financing the Taliban would be a more difficult question to answer. Yes, bin Laden is financing the Taliban, with assistance from wealthy Arabs across the region--especially Saudi Arabia, including members of the royal family. But don't forget that the Taliban and al-Qaida benefit greatly from the opium trade.

And, of course, let us not overlook our own government's generous gift of an extra $43 million to the Taliban in May 2001, which Colin Powell was pleased to announce at the time, as a token of our gratitude to Mullah Mohammed Omar in exchange for his issuance of a written decree that Allah does not condone the growing of opium poppies. That was in addition to the $270 million in aid to Afghanistan that was provided by the United States, which happens to be the largest benefactor of the Taliban of any nation in the world. This is in spite of the fact that the Taliban has not cooperated with us on any of our requests over the past three years to hand over bin Laden, even though we provided them with evidence of his participation in the bombing of our embassies in Africa. Osama bin Laden probably has more control over the Taliban than the Taliban has over him.

I still think that paying $43 million for a worthless piece of paper was a bad deal, but Colin Powell was all smiles at the time.

Ninong

[Firefish]

Maybe Colin Powell was shmok'in some afgan herb.