where the heck is joaco?

ccull · 12-02-2001, 10:37 PM

i've emailed his work and private address - nothing. i am a bit worried. anyone heard? joaco! if you read this, send the wife and family up here - i'll make room. answer please dude - i'm really worried about ya...

**schrocat** · 12-03-2001, 12:28 AM

Haven't heard from him in a few weeks...
Didn't reply to my last email either.

anyone?

**Ninong** · 12-03-2001, 01:10 AM

The last time I heard from him was about three weeks ago, just after he got back from Durban, South Africa.

Ninong

Andrew007 · 12-07-2001, 12:03 PM

We are fine, J asked me to give some details as he is very very busy now.
I'm very busy too -I stayed to help-, he must think I'm his slave

j/k

This is old info, from Tuesday, 4 Dec 2001

Washington Post
Pressure Grows in Argentina

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2001Nov30.html

Argentina's peso futures plunged and people lined up to buy dollars as concern grew that the government will devalue the currency or freeze bank accounts.

Financial Times:
Argentina nears the endgame: Politicians are trying to deny the
possibility of another financial meltdown, but the truth is that time is
fast running out

http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011204000655

Argentina is running out of money and it is running out of time.
Over the weekend, the government imposed strict limits on cash withdrawals and foreign money transfers in a desperate bid to prevent a run on the banking system caused by the widespread belief that Argentina is unable to pay its creditors and therefore, in effect, bankrupt.

The government also slapped limits on international fund transfers -
meaning people trying to take over $1,000 abroad could face smuggling charges.

Wall Street Journal

http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011204003021

The Argentine government adopted a set of new measures over the weekend designed to call a halt to the run on the country's banks, placing new controls on bank withdrawals and placing restrictions on the transfer of funds abroad.

New York Times
Argentina Adapts to Cash Controls, IMF Worries Weigh

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...archpv=reuters

Financial Times

Argentina close to collapse after run on banks

http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011203001258

ARGENTINA EDGED close to bankruptcy yesterday as people queued at cashpoint machines and bank tellers' windows to withdraw money after a government decree restricting bank withdrawals and overseas transfers.

Passengers on planes and ships were frisked for illegal dollar stashes
before leaving the country. The decree sparked fears of an imminent
devaluation of the peso, wiping out savings overnight.

Thousands of unemployed Argentine professionals are applying for overseas visas and fleeing into economic exile.

After analysts warned that the financial system might collapse within 10 days, the government capped cash withdrawals at $250 a week for the next three months.

In the 1980s personal savings were converted into government bonds
overnight at a poor rate of exchange. Recently, government employees took to the streets in protest after their salaries were paid in bonds.

Overseas and offshore transfers of more than $1,000 will be severely
restricted in the coming months.

Wall Street Journal

Argentina averts run on banks, but anxiety remains

http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011204003811

Argentina has managed to avoid a run on its banks by imposing a $250 a week limit on withdrawals from bank accounts. However, the move has heightened fears that the country could be heading for bankruptcy. The partial freeze on accounts was introduced over the weekend to prevent an acceleration of withdrawals from depositors worried that the country may have to devalue its currency soon. Argentina has already lost 20% of its bank deposits so far this year.

Financial Times
Argentines ponder life with empty wallets

http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pag...ading=americas

Others wondered how they would take holidays abroad - the southern hemisphere summer is here and many Argentines go abroad for Christmas and New Year. This year, however, they will be able to take only $1,000 in cash and, even abroad, they will not be able to exceed the limits on withdrawals from cash dispensing machines.

On Monday, Argentines faced a vast range of questions. Many wondered how payments could be made to workers operating in Argentina's vast black economy - including maids, taxi-drivers, restaurant staff, psychoanalysts, plumbers and even prostitutes.

President Fernando de la Rúa on Monday tried to reassure people that the temporary restrictions, which are slated to last 90 days, would not affect the value of their savings. "Everyone's savings are secure," he insisted. "The measures were taken for that very reason."

For many Argentines, however, the measures bring back bitter memories of the "Plan Bonex" 11 years ago, under which fixed-term deposits were confiscated by the government and turned into 10-year bonds. The bonds quickly dropped to 30 cents on the dollar in the secondary market, wiping out the savings of many Argentines.

The latest measures also raised the spectre of a return to the financial madness that beset the country in the late 1980s, when inflation reached 5,000 per cent.

However, the new restrictions call into question whether the currency
system has been adulterated. Some economists predict a chaotic situation in which several parallel currency markets spring up in the informal economy, much as they did in the 1980s.

-----------------
Didn't look good three days ago? check out today:

Wall Street Journal
Denied an IMF lifeline, Argentina slides toward default

http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011207003647

Argentina came close to defaulting on its debt this week after the International Monetary Fund withdrew its offer of a $1.3bn emergency loan. Economy minister Domingo Cavallo flew to Washington last night to meet with IMF officials and negotiate a plan to prevent Latin America's third largest economy from suffering a complete derailment. Without fresh money, analysts doubt Argentina will be able to service its $132bn debt loan very far into the new year; according to Credit Suisse First Boston, "Default is virtually inevitable."

Lets add an aweful high crime rate:

*everyday at least two banks are robbed. Literally. Over 250 banks this year.

*there is a hunt on cops going on. Average of killed cops in the line of duty was about 5 a year during the last decade or so.
This year, so far 70+ were shot dead.

It looks worse than it really is. J and I have all under control, we are 100% safe.
J is 99% safe, I'm the remaining 1%

Being the Star Wars frek J is, he is calling me rebel scum!
I would prefer Han Solo, especially because my new bodyguard looks like Chewie

he also sounds like a Wookie and all... lol

Joaco is smarter than the average bear over here, and I'm like bad weed, you can't kill it

, so we make a good team.

All this will be over soon, and life will be back to normal.

Talk to you soon guys.

Andy
a.k.a rebelscum

Andrew007 · 12-07-2001, 12:12 PM

One more thing:
wish me luck!
I wouldnt like to be pushed into a South American jail, I wouldnt be able to find iron underwear of my size!

I just wanna know why the rebel scum is always sent first to the front line...but if this is the price to help out my buddies over here, I'm more than happy to help. Somebody has to do the dirty work, right?

nucleuscracker · 12-07-2001, 11:43 PM

well I guess that explains it..not much else going on over there huh andrew? just kidding...

to both of you...
*good luck
* be safe....

Mikeman · 12-08-2001, 07:35 PM

can anyone give me a link to his web page, i'd like to look at the his tanks again...

**Ninong** · 12-09-2001, 11:37 AM

http://www.wyx.com/iheo/tank/aquarium.htm

ccull · 12-09-2001, 05:32 PM

apparently he's safe, and very very busy. fyi....

**Joaco** · 12-19-2001, 06:39 PM

It's Wednesday 19th December, 7.30 PM

We are officially UNDER SIEGE right now.

Looting, rioting in Argentina
December 19, 2001 Posted: 12:28 PM EST (1728 GMT)

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html

Looting, Riots Rage in Argentina as Austerity Plans Bite

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2001Dec19.html

Merry Xmas...?

Joaco

**Joaco** · 12-19-2001, 06:52 PM

No constitutional guarantees...
Andrew just called me from his cell phone, he got caught in his vehicle in the middle of a riot and the Police REFUSES to go to that area.

Cool, huh? anyone wants to come over for vacations? it's warm and sunny here....(and the heat is going up!)

Joaco

**Ninong** · 12-19-2001, 07:09 PM

Andrew007 · 12-20-2001, 11:15 AM

I saved my life by pure luck, unfortunatelly I had to open fire.

http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011220001008

I'm leaving the country tonight.
There is nothing else to do here.

**Ninong** · 12-20-2001, 11:59 AM

Andrew,

Glad to hear you're OK. What country will you be going to?

Maybe Joaco should take his family on an extended vacation to Hamburg?

Do you think the present situation down there is worse than 1989?

Regards,

Ninong

Andrew007 · 12-20-2001, 03:37 PM

I'm leaving to Germany tonight, if I can make it to the airport.
Joaco is safe and his wife too, she is going to give birth in ten days, she can't fly.
J will probably send her to her in-laws at the beach, but given the current situation, we both think it's better they stay downtown Buenos Aires.

The situation is way WAY WORSE than 1989. Incredibly worse. Political and economic situation is very different.
In 1989 this happened AFTER the elections, so the former president just resigned six months earlier. Now, this idiot has till two years to go.
In 1989 unemployment rate was below 10%, now it's over 20%

I could go on, but we need to have the phone line clear, I'm at Joaco's place.
While Joaco was returning home a few minutes ago, he saw how a cop was executed on the street.

I'm telling you, this is all pre-revolutionary gymnastics. They are only testing how long it takes for authorities to respond, everything is a TOTAL caos.

Will keep you updated.
Kind regards,

Andrew

Andrew007 · 12-20-2001, 03:46 PM

The official dead count is 16. Unofficially it is way higher.
remember the L.A. riots after the Rodney King case?
Imagine something similar but people are not only pissed, they are hungry and have nothing to lose but their lives.

I warned Joaco about this, why the hell didn't he listen to me????

Andrew007 · 12-20-2001, 05:56 PM

The President just resigned!
I would thank you all if you care to keep your thumbs pressed for us. A little prayer wouldn't hurt either.

Andrew

ccull · 12-20-2001, 07:21 PM

so has joaco changed his mind yet? man, if his wife can't fly though what the heck can he do? rent a boat or something, i dunno.... keep us posted !

Andrew007 · 12-20-2001, 09:58 PM

I'm not leaving Joaco alone now. Besides, I can't make it to the airport even if I wanted to, so...

I would like to call this 'winds of change', but it's starting to look more like a tornado of change. As Joaco says, it looks worse than it really is.

But even police dogs seem to be hungry here:

Andrew007 · 12-20-2001, 10:03 PM

one more thing:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2001Dec20.html

"The unrest spread across the nation of 37 million people, with looters attacking supermarkets in major cities and ransacking homes. Eight of those killed were in outlying provinces, and many died of gunshot wounds."

Just in case anyone wonders if we can defend our lifes and property, let me tell you we ARE prepared to do so.

In my personal case, at all cost, I don't care what it takes. Been there, done that. It's my life and I will protect it.

12-02-2001, 10:37 PM	#1
ccull Citizen Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Hoooooooston, TX Posts: 147	where the heck is joaco? i've emailed his work and private address - nothing. i am a bit worried. anyone heard? joaco! if you read this, send the wife and family up here - i'll make room. answer please dude - i'm really worried about ya...

12-03-2001, 12:28 AM	#2
schrocat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Hilliard , Fl. Posts: 3,392	Haven't heard from him in a few weeks... Didn't reply to my last email either. anyone? __________________ "One man's vulgarity is another man's lyric" -Justice John Marshall Harlan "Send Lawyers, Guns and Money." -WZ

12-07-2001, 11:43 PM	#6
nucleuscracker Mayor Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: MI Posts: 589	well I guess that explains it..not much else going on over there huh andrew? just kidding... to both of you... good luck be safe.... __________________ Why put off today what you can ignore tomorrow?

12-09-2001, 05:32 PM	#9
ccull Citizen Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Hoooooooston, TX Posts: 147	he emailed apparently he's safe, and very very busy. fyi....

12-20-2001, 07:21 PM	#18
ccull Citizen Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Hoooooooston, TX Posts: 147	yikes! so has joaco changed his mind yet? man, if his wife can't fly though what the heck can he do? rent a boat or something, i dunno.... keep us posted !

12-03-2001, 01:10 AM	#3
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 20,691	The last time I heard from him was about three weeks ago, just after he got back from Durban, South Africa. Ninong

12-07-2001, 12:03 PM	#4
Andrew007 Just Moved In Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 40	We are fine, J asked me to give some details as he is very very busy now. I'm very busy too -I stayed to help-, he must think I'm his slave j/k This is old info, from Tuesday, 4 Dec 2001 Washington Post Pressure Grows in Argentina http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2001Nov30.html Argentina's peso futures plunged and people lined up to buy dollars as concern grew that the government will devalue the currency or freeze bank accounts. Financial Times: Argentina nears the endgame: Politicians are trying to deny the possibility of another financial meltdown, but the truth is that time is fast running out http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011204000655 Argentina is running out of money and it is running out of time. Over the weekend, the government imposed strict limits on cash withdrawals and foreign money transfers in a desperate bid to prevent a run on the banking system caused by the widespread belief that Argentina is unable to pay its creditors and therefore, in effect, bankrupt. The government also slapped limits on international fund transfers - meaning people trying to take over $1,000 abroad could face smuggling charges. Wall Street Journal http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011204003021 The Argentine government adopted a set of new measures over the weekend designed to call a halt to the run on the country's banks, placing new controls on bank withdrawals and placing restrictions on the transfer of funds abroad. New York Times Argentina Adapts to Cash Controls, IMF Worries Weigh http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world...archpv=reuters Financial Times Argentina close to collapse after run on banks http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011203001258 ARGENTINA EDGED close to bankruptcy yesterday as people queued at cashpoint machines and bank tellers' windows to withdraw money after a government decree restricting bank withdrawals and overseas transfers. Passengers on planes and ships were frisked for illegal dollar stashes before leaving the country. The decree sparked fears of an imminent devaluation of the peso, wiping out savings overnight. Thousands of unemployed Argentine professionals are applying for overseas visas and fleeing into economic exile. After analysts warned that the financial system might collapse within 10 days, the government capped cash withdrawals at $250 a week for the next three months. In the 1980s personal savings were converted into government bonds overnight at a poor rate of exchange. Recently, government employees took to the streets in protest after their salaries were paid in bonds. Overseas and offshore transfers of more than $1,000 will be severely restricted in the coming months. Wall Street Journal Argentina averts run on banks, but anxiety remains http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011204003811 Argentina has managed to avoid a run on its banks by imposing a $250 a week limit on withdrawals from bank accounts. However, the move has heightened fears that the country could be heading for bankruptcy. The partial freeze on accounts was introduced over the weekend to prevent an acceleration of withdrawals from depositors worried that the country may have to devalue its currency soon. Argentina has already lost 20% of its bank deposits so far this year. Financial Times Argentines ponder life with empty wallets http://news.ft.com/ft/gx.cgi/ftc?pag...ading=americas Others wondered how they would take holidays abroad - the southern hemisphere summer is here and many Argentines go abroad for Christmas and New Year. This year, however, they will be able to take only $1,000 in cash and, even abroad, they will not be able to exceed the limits on withdrawals from cash dispensing machines. On Monday, Argentines faced a vast range of questions. Many wondered how payments could be made to workers operating in Argentina's vast black economy - including maids, taxi-drivers, restaurant staff, psychoanalysts, plumbers and even prostitutes. President Fernando de la Rúa on Monday tried to reassure people that the temporary restrictions, which are slated to last 90 days, would not affect the value of their savings. "Everyone's savings are secure," he insisted. "The measures were taken for that very reason." For many Argentines, however, the measures bring back bitter memories of the "Plan Bonex" 11 years ago, under which fixed-term deposits were confiscated by the government and turned into 10-year bonds. The bonds quickly dropped to 30 cents on the dollar in the secondary market, wiping out the savings of many Argentines. The latest measures also raised the spectre of a return to the financial madness that beset the country in the late 1980s, when inflation reached 5,000 per cent. However, the new restrictions call into question whether the currency system has been adulterated. Some economists predict a chaotic situation in which several parallel currency markets spring up in the informal economy, much as they did in the 1980s. ----------------- Didn't look good three days ago? check out today: Wall Street Journal Denied an IMF lifeline, Argentina slides toward default http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011207003647 Argentina came close to defaulting on its debt this week after the International Monetary Fund withdrew its offer of a $1.3bn emergency loan. Economy minister Domingo Cavallo flew to Washington last night to meet with IMF officials and negotiate a plan to prevent Latin America's third largest economy from suffering a complete derailment. Without fresh money, analysts doubt Argentina will be able to service its $132bn debt loan very far into the new year; according to Credit Suisse First Boston, "Default is virtually inevitable." Lets add an aweful high crime rate: everyday at least two banks are robbed. Literally. Over 250 banks this year. there is a hunt on cops going on. Average of killed cops in the line of duty was about 5 a year during the last decade or so. This year, so far 70+ were shot dead. It looks worse than it really is. J and I have all under control, we are 100% safe. J is 99% safe, I'm the remaining 1% Being the Star Wars frek J is, he is calling me rebel scum! I would prefer Han Solo, especially because my new bodyguard looks like Chewie he also sounds like a Wookie and all... lol Joaco is smarter than the average bear over here, and I'm like bad weed, you can't kill it , so we make a good team. All this will be over soon, and life will be back to normal. Talk to you soon guys. Andy a.k.a rebelscum

12-07-2001, 12:12 PM	#5
Andrew007 Just Moved In Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 40	One more thing: wish me luck! I wouldnt like to be pushed into a South American jail, I wouldnt be able to find iron underwear of my size! I just wanna know why the rebel scum is always sent first to the front line...but if this is the price to help out my buddies over here, I'm more than happy to help. Somebody has to do the dirty work, right?

12-08-2001, 07:35 PM	#7
Mikeman Governor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Watertown,SD,USA Posts: 1,502	can anyone give me a link to his web page, i'd like to look at the his tanks again...

12-09-2001, 11:37 AM	#8
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 20,691	http://www.wyx.com/iheo/tank/aquarium.htm

12-19-2001, 06:39 PM	#10
Joaco Moderator Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 1,574	It's Wednesday 19th December, 7.30 PM We are officially UNDER SIEGE right now. Looting, rioting in Argentina December 19, 2001 Posted: 12:28 PM EST (1728 GMT) http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/americ....ap/index.html Looting, Riots Rage in Argentina as Austerity Plans Bite http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2001Dec19.html Merry Xmas...? Joaco

12-19-2001, 06:52 PM	#11
Joaco Moderator Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina Posts: 1,574	No constitutional guarantees... Andrew just called me from his cell phone, he got caught in his vehicle in the middle of a riot and the Police REFUSES to go to that area. Cool, huh? anyone wants to come over for vacations? it's warm and sunny here....(and the heat is going up!) Joaco

12-19-2001, 07:09 PM	#12
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 20,691

12-20-2001, 11:15 AM	#13
Andrew007 Just Moved In Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 40	I saved my life by pure luck, unfortunatelly I had to open fire. http://globalarchive.ft.com/globalar...d=011220001008 I'm leaving the country tonight. There is nothing else to do here.

12-20-2001, 11:59 AM	#14
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 20,691	Andrew, Glad to hear you're OK. What country will you be going to? Maybe Joaco should take his family on an extended vacation to Hamburg? Do you think the present situation down there is worse than 1989? Regards, Ninong

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12-20-2001, 03:37 PM	#15
Andrew007 Just Moved In Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 40	I'm leaving to Germany tonight, if I can make it to the airport. Joaco is safe and his wife too, she is going to give birth in ten days, she can't fly. J will probably send her to her in-laws at the beach, but given the current situation, we both think it's better they stay downtown Buenos Aires. The situation is way WAY WORSE than 1989. Incredibly worse. Political and economic situation is very different. In 1989 this happened AFTER the elections, so the former president just resigned six months earlier. Now, this idiot has till two years to go. In 1989 unemployment rate was below 10%, now it's over 20% I could go on, but we need to have the phone line clear, I'm at Joaco's place. While Joaco was returning home a few minutes ago, he saw how a cop was executed on the street. I'm telling you, this is all pre-revolutionary gymnastics. They are only testing how long it takes for authorities to respond, everything is a TOTAL caos. Will keep you updated. Kind regards, Andrew

12-20-2001, 03:46 PM	#16
Andrew007 Just Moved In Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 40	The official dead count is 16. Unofficially it is way higher. remember the L.A. riots after the Rodney King case? Imagine something similar but people are not only pissed, they are hungry and have nothing to lose but their lives. I warned Joaco about this, why the hell didn't he listen to me????

12-20-2001, 05:56 PM	#17
Andrew007 Just Moved In Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 40	The President just resigned! I would thank you all if you care to keep your thumbs pressed for us. A little prayer wouldn't hurt either. Andrew

12-20-2001, 09:58 PM	#19
Andrew007 Just Moved In Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 40	I'm not leaving Joaco alone now. Besides, I can't make it to the airport even if I wanted to, so... I would like to call this 'winds of change', but it's starting to look more like a tornado of change. As Joaco says, it looks worse than it really is. But even police dogs seem to be hungry here:

12-20-2001, 10:03 PM	#20
Andrew007 Just Moved In Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 40	one more thing: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2001Dec20.html "The unrest spread across the nation of 37 million people, with looters attacking supermarkets in major cities and ransacking homes. Eight of those killed were in outlying provinces, and many died of gunshot wounds." Just in case anyone wonders if we can defend our lifes and property, let me tell you we ARE prepared to do so. In my personal case, at all cost, I don't care what it takes. Been there, done that. It's my life and I will protect it.

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