[organicreefer]

well,you know how sometimes it helps to write things down....

a pitbull and a chow came in my yard and killed one of my cats,im so angry and upset...the attack was witnessed and the dogs were caught by animal control..still in my yard.
there is blood and fur everywhere..god damn im so ****in pissed..i wish that i had gotten here before they were captured...animal control wouldnt have been called..i would have dealt with those two dogs myself.
i never thought i would say it ,but im sueing the owners of the dogs,and if i ever see those dogs roaming free,im going to calmly aproach them and exercise my right to "defend myself"..get my drift.

RIP simba 93 -02 youll be missed little buddy

[scubadude]

Man that really sucks OR, but dont stoop that low where you would harm other animals.....its not the dog(s) fault! Im a firm believer in what comes around goes around. Sorry about simba though.

[organicreefer]

scuba those dogs WILL kill again given the oportunity..IF I HAVE A CHANCE I CAN GUARANTEE IT WONT HAPPEN AGAIN..i also have a chow that they had an hour long barking match with through my window from what i understnd...i have a feeling if those dogs get out again,they will make a beeline to my house

I HAVE TWO OTHER CATS BOTH OLDER/SLOWER THAN SIMBA WAS!

OH NO, IF THOSE DOGS ARE ROAMING FREE AGAIN...THEY REALLY NEED TO BE "PUT DOWN".
BESIDES WHAT CAN I DO IF THEY "ATTACK ME"

IM ANIMAL LOVER ...BELEIVE THAT...THATS WHY I FEEL THIS IS THE THING TO DO.SORRY IF YOU DISAGREE

[organicreefer]

oops siorry about al the caps

[scubadude]

Yeah I know you are an animal lover, my point is that its not the dogs fault, its the owners fault for not supervising, training, leashing the dogs. Under the circumstances the law should be able to handle this to the extent where the dogs are either taken away from the owner or the owner is fined/sued (by you) that he would be very idiotic to ever let it happen again. Im not sure what the legal conclusions would be to something like this but with all the hype goin on about violence from animals im sure there is an alternative method. Now if the dogs charge you and you are in fear for your life thats a different situation. I personally dont have anymore cats but did at one time and I have a dog that is a chow mix (he is my guard dog) and he protects and knows all the animals in the house, if any dog/person/animal ever tried to harm any of our family members, then my chow steps in, however he is not one to provoke a fight w/anything! because he has been trained this way. Alot of ppl think that once a dog has tasted blood then there is no turning back.....I personally dont believe that. I think dogs can be trained to virtually almost any condition. FWIW I do understand why you feel this way though.

[organicreefer]

scuba,
i understand that it IS the owners fault ..you are absolutely correct.

the problem is,you and i both know full and well that those two particular dogs are not going to be somehow"trained" not to kill cats...especially by an owner who is obviously as irresponsible as this one.just about a month ago i was walking my chow about a few blocks from my house it was getting dark and some lady actually came out side and asked me what color my chow was ,hes black,she said there was always a brown chow and a pitbull running around,and if i knew who owned them.now look what happens.
now yes i know there are laws about this sort of thing ,but i also know its a three strike youre out kinda deal ,at least here in cali.so these dogs have to attack AND be caught two more times before the owner loses them.also the max fine to get out of doggy jail is like 300 bucks ,and thats after several offenses.......
im going to make sure that the owner definitely will pay heavily(as i can get) to try and really get his attention,but if i see the dogs roaming again,i will take matters into my own hands.they are predators among sheep as far as im concerned..what if my nephews had been out front playing...i forgot to mention these dogs charged my neighbor (who ran and called animal control)and stayed in my yard for an hour

thats awesome youre dog has some chow in him,chows are the coolest dogs,they need extra socialization/training,not to mention the extra work groominglol ,but are so unique and intelligent/protective...ive had a few different breeds growing up ..i will never ever get another dog that isnt a chow

anyway thanks for listening man ,ive really cooled off quite a bit ,but im really bummed,i have two other male cats that are wondering(or they probly know i gues)where their little brother is..they all three used to sleep together in a ball practically every night.they were constantly together.its really very sad

[the_blue_tuna]

Scuba,
I dont think I can agree with you 100% here. Some dogs just have the temperment bred into them and it can not be totally gotten rid of with training . This is not really the dogs fault as he is the byproduct of human intervention on one hand , yet on the other , its in the dogs blood.It is the owners fault for not keeping the dogs locked up 100%. But you must look at what is the lesser of two evils here. You can bury a dog , or you can possibly bury a child. Now I am not one to just go around shooting animals , but if this scenario were placed in front of me I would "defend myself" at the first opportunity I got even if I had to make it especially if I lived in close proximity to these dogs and had small children.As Organic says , the dogs will be taken away EVENTUALLY , but in the mean time is it worth possibly losing a small child? If the dogs lived in my neighborhood,,,,,,,,,,they would'nt.

[ccull]

man, i'm sorry to hear that - i'm with "capping" the offending animals if you get the chance though. use a 12 gauge if you have one, much less likely to miss....

[Rin]

I know exactly how you feel, man. My mom's 15 year-old cat (Paulina) was attacked and killed by a black lab in her back yard. The dog leaped the fence to get to her. Had I been there at the time, the dog would be crossing the rainbow bridge. Mom still cries when she thinks about it. She never saw the dog again. I still look for it whenever I go home to visit.

On the flip side, my neighbor's German Shepard attacked my Yorkie. The yorkie was playing with one of the neighborhood kids when the German Shepard charged the yorkie. It was a three-way foot race--I was running after the Shepard, the Shepard was running after the Yorkie, and the Yorkie was running toward me. We met at the same time. The shepard bit my dog once as I tackled the shepard. The shepard ran off and I was left with an almost-dead Yorkie. After two surgeries and a long recovery, the Yorkie pulled through. I won't go into the details, but suffice to say the owner paid dearly for letting his dog roam.

Today the dog is still around, but he has 2 strikes against him. The dog attacked a child who chose to run rather than stand his ground. The bite was not severe so the dog was spared an early demise. I know that the owner was arrested at that time and had to face the judge, but I don't know what the fine was. I do know that if the police even see that the dog loose again, it'll be put down.

[Reinhold]

One thing to remember....these are animals with instincts in their genes for tens of thousands of years. How many of us have been swiped or snarled at by our peaceful, loving house cats when they get startled? Witness people killed by their "pet" tigers or lions after living in harmony for years.

No amount of training can remove the instinct to kill from a carnivore which has already exhibited the tendency. I think the dogs should be destroyed.

[Penguin]

Organic,

I'm so sorry about Simba. I have 2 cats myself, and if something like that happened I would be so angry and upset. It's so frustrating, just because some halfwit was too lazy to walk his dogs on a leash, you had to lose a friend. You should definitely take legal action against the guy, but don't go vigilante on the dog or you could get charged with something. It isn't worth it.

I hate pitbulls, and I think they should be banned. I was injured by a pitbull when I was about 10. I know half the time it's the owner's fault, and the dog is mean because of the way they were raised. But I think the pitbull also has sort of a mean streak or wildness inherent in the breed. Now I'm probably gonna get flamed if there are any pitbull owners on this board, but that's my opinion.

[Elmo18]

My parents would know how that would feel. Im sorry to hear about your cat. My parents had 12 cats at one point in my native country. Well, one tried crossing the street and got ran over.

They still missed that cat for several weeks even with the 11 leftoever....

Again, I also agree with Scuba. They really should fine careless animal caretakers, especially of species known to be vicious.

Regards,

Ilham

[FishKid]

i agree with the capping! the other night i was walking home and i had to fight off a very large black dog, couldnt tell wat breed, but it was built like a rottwieler (sp?) if i turn and ran it would have been game over man! it scratched my forearm but i gouged its eyes pretty bad, then it backed off. that was scary as all hell!

needless to say, im not a fan of dogs, especially potentially dangerous ones.

[popcorn]

Fishkid, Are you sure it wasn't an emu?

OR, I'm so sorry to hear about your cat. As a fellow cat-owner, I can imagine how painful it is, especially to lose a friend in such a senseless manner. It's a sad commentary when we start to hope that the "next time" it won't be a child.


My condolences,
Danielle

[organicreefer]

thanks for the condolences everyone ,it really means alot.
i still havent heard from animal control,i have a case number though ,and ill be giving them a call tommorow when i get home if i havent heard anything by then.
on the one hand ,if the dogs arent claimed ,thats kind of a victory in itself ,as they will be put down.
but on the other ,i would like to confront the owner of the dog ,and make sure he/she pays the consequences.but in this case the dogs will probly still be around and something im gonna have to worry about.
its rediculous,there are SO MANY pitbulls / rotts/ just plain mean dogs in my area.i really need to follow through with this to hold these people accountable.
i will NEVER be for the banning of any type of dog,i truly believe that 99.999% of these dogs would be fine if SOCIALIZED extensively while growing up.in my personal exp. with pitbulls,i have found them to be very affectionate sweet dogs for the most part.but maybe people who have proven irresponsible shouldnt be allowed to own them anymore.......................

[nucleuscracker]

sorry to hear about your cat organic.. as you know whats been going on with my puppy I can only imagine what your going through and have gone through..

I would have been right there behind you dealing with those dogs. I would have done the same thing if another dog attacked my dog or attacked our cat.

We had something like that happen here last summer. The kids next door were outside and they had their little dog with them and out of nowhere came this large rottweiler running around and up down and the street..well the kids dog broke loose and started running after the dog barking at it..like all dogs do... well this big #@# dog turned around and bit the little dog on the side and than took off.. so a friend of mine and myself chased this thing down....only to find ANOTHER dog running around... parents down this other street freaking out cuz their kids are freaking out....well we find the owner...his idiot wife let the dogs out of the yard...and by now the mom and the kids of the dog that got bit showed up..the guy DID NOT even apologize for what his dog did. He also did not offer to cover the vet expenses as they had to take their small dog to the vet for some stitches...Only if someone had a baseball...had that been my dog that was attacked..adios fido...your @@@ is mine.......

sorry to rant..I hate dog owners that knowingly have vicious animals for that reason or do not have the ego to apologize for when their dog has done something horrendus..

[organicreefer]

thanks nucleus,it hasnt been easy ,and i still keep thinking about poor simba............

as of friday those dogs were still in the pound....what kind of owner doesnt come looking for their dogs after 4 days?????

i guess the same kind that raises dogs like these....i should be able to find out whats gonna happen tommorrow, i think.

i refuse to let this go-and i dont care how long it takes-i will get justice one way or another

[naser]

you have to remember just like our reefs, animals all have prey. its a food chain thing. a hermit will kill a snail, just like a dog will kill a cat, and a cat will kill a bird. no disrespect meant. the dogs should have been leashed. alot of dogs arent owned or even trained. i myself own two dogs. im sorry for the cat but youve got to not get mad when nature takes over.

[organicreefer]

yeah nature,cat kills bird, dogs kill cat ,i kill dogs ...how about we just call it the circle of life

[naser]

i think you killing something just because it does what its done for thousands of years is more wrong then what happened.