A good day to be white and Christain

**schrocat** · 01-10-2003, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SPASSE
I think I will pass on a response.

Not being a smarty Scott, I promise.

But I've never heard a good response to that one.

There may be one, not saying there isn't....!

But most come off as laughable when compared to the image of holding your pre-teen daughter's hand as she dies from an ectopic pregnancy facilitated by a sexual predator...and doing nothing.

wgscott · 01-11-2003, 03:32 AM

Can't we just stay on topic?

wgscott · 01-11-2003, 03:34 AM

Although this one should get the old juices fired up:

**schrocat** · 01-11-2003, 09:45 AM

wg,

I can't see your graphics.

I'm browsin' with lynx.

* (Ok...that one might be a lie.)

The first graphic is freaking hilarious.

**SPasse** · 01-11-2003, 12:55 PM

Wgscott,

One of the discussions I like to have with people is whether Religion actually causes wars of is just a convenient excuse to validate our basic tribal tendencies.

I am of the later persuasion.

Regards,

Scott

wgscott · 01-11-2003, 02:08 PM

Well, if we remove the pretext, we can at least do the controlled experiment. (i.e., abolish religions, and see if the world becomes a worse or better place. If it becomes worse, you can have them back.)

Schro:

Here's where they came from:

http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/PhotoAlbum1.html

You might find this one entertaining too. I had tears rolling down my face I was laughing so hard:

http://www.snitchreport.com/

Caesar Augustus · 01-11-2003, 03:33 PM

I'm done with this post! Just so as you know WG, I'm not mad at you, I pity you. Romans 12:19
Keep the faith,
Bonaparte

wgscott · 01-11-2003, 11:31 PM

If it be the will of Allah.

**Ninong** · 01-12-2003, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SPASSE
One of the discussions I like to have with people is whether Religion actually causes wars or is just a convenient excuse to validate our basic tribal tendencies.

Similar to the NRA belief that guns don't kill people.

All wars are tribal but religion just happens to be one of the strongest definers of tribe.

wgscott · 01-13-2003, 04:19 AM

Spasse does have a point though. People would just find something else to have wars about.

ninong -- did you check out www.snitchreport.com yet?

**Ninong** · 01-13-2003, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by wgscott:

Spasse does have a point though. People would just find something else to have wars about.

Yes, that's just part of our tribal nature. Let's see how many reasons I can think of off the top of my head: Religious wars -- defense of the faith, propagation of the faith, recapture of holy lands or landmarks; resource wars -- acquisition or control of vital natural resources; wars of territorial expansion -- acquisition of more living space; revolutionary wars -- to change the fundamental nature of the system of government; class wars -- a form of civil war initiated by the oppressed class to gain a more equal distribution of wealth; civil wars that seek separation from, or dissolution of, an existing confederation or union based on incompatible fundamental values and socio-economic structures; civil wars that seek redistribution of land (see class wars); race wars -- either tribal vendettas or wars waged by the oppressed race against the ruling race; fearless leader wars -- my king can stomp your king's @$$; wars for no other purpose than to occupy the troops and keep the peoples' minds off other problems -- the Romans probably invented these but they are still being imitated to this day; wars to spread civilization and enforce the peace -- the benefits of these are only appreciated a couple of centuries after the fact (pax Romana, pax Britannica, pax Americana -- a work in progress, etc.); and the list goes on.

One of the early philosophers (I can't remember which one) described it as order vs. disorder. In this view, the highest form of order would be a single absolute authority. Any division of authority would amount to disorder that would eventually be resolved through conflict. The naive optimistic view is that this state can be achieved by consent of the various states -- hence the formation of the United Nations. This won't work as long as all of the other differences between the individual states remain -- different languages, different cultures, different religions, different stages of technological development, different standards of living, different levels of military strength, different levels of natural resources, different legal systems, different systems of government, etc. But there are movements in this direction: EU.

Getting back to the order vs. disorder analogy: Order would require that there be one absolute world authority, one state (no national boundaries), one language, one religion, one level of technological development, one standard of living, one political system, one legal system, equal distribution of natural resources, etc. This is so utopian and unamerican that it would be dismissed as absurd by most of us today. I cannot see it happening anytime in the next millennium. In the meantime, we will continue to wage wars whenever we perceive that the existing peace is imperfect due to unequal distribution of resources, perceived threats to existing standards of living (resources again), differences in military strength that permit one state to enforce its will on another, deranged fearless leaders, differences in standards of living among classes within a state -- class wars, perceived grievances or transgressions that date back hundreds of years, and the list goes on again.

War seems to be a uniquely human endeavor. No other animal is as good at it as we are or even as interested in it as we are. It is almost as if states (tribes) take on a life of their own and acquire aggressive tendencies greater than those of the individual. Somewhere in the social structures of H. sapiens a fundamental change takes place. Originally this was at the tribal level. I think you can see something similar in rioting crowds and mobs. How is it that college students from well off families can run wild and destroy property just because their team just won a championship? Would any of them act that way alone?

IMHO we are not ready for peace. War is inevitable. Peace is just the halftime show. We have a long, long way to go before we will be capable of achieving an enduring worldwide peace.

ninong -- did you check out www.snitchreport.com yet?

Do I have to publicly admit that?

**SPasse** · 01-13-2003, 05:53 PM

Hi All,

O.K. is the snitch report connected in any way with the Comedy Channel?

Ninong, no we have got a ways to go before we are ready for Zefram Cochrane to do his thing with Warp Drive and set us up for our “First Contact”

I don’t know which comedy routine this is from but George Carlin has routine where he talks about how “displeased” our “intergalactic friends” would be if we were able to “explore” space to any meaningful extent. (At our present state of social development) His basic point is that we would probably be “quarantined” (at best).

Regards,

Scott

wgscott · 01-21-2003, 01:31 AM

I think the most compelling evidence for the existence of extra-terrestrial intelligent beings is that they haven't tried to get in touch with us.

**schrocat** · 01-21-2003, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by wgscott
I think the most compelling evidence for the existence of extra-terrestrial intelligent beings is that they haven't tried to get in touch with us.

Tell it to the Raelians.

01-11-2003, 09:45 AM	#44
schrocat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Hilliard , Fl. Posts: 3,392	wg, I can't see your graphics. I'm browsin' with lynx. * (Ok...that one might be a lie.) The first graphic is freaking hilarious. __________________ "One man's vulgarity is another man's lyric" -Justice John Marshall Harlan "Send Lawyers, Guns and Money." -WZ

01-11-2003, 12:55 PM	#45
SPasse Moderator Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Forney Texas USA Posts: 2,304	Wgscott, One of the discussions I like to have with people is whether Religion actually causes wars of is just a convenient excuse to validate our basic tribal tendencies. I am of the later persuasion. Regards, Scott __________________ Founding Member – Rocky Mountain Reef Club You can see my former reeftank at http://www.sdpasse.com

01-13-2003, 10:14 AM	#51
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 20,691	Originally posted by wgscott: Spasse does have a point though. People would just find something else to have wars about. Yes, that's just part of our tribal nature. Let's see how many reasons I can think of off the top of my head: Religious wars -- defense of the faith, propagation of the faith, recapture of holy lands or landmarks; resource wars -- acquisition or control of vital natural resources; wars of territorial expansion -- acquisition of more living space; revolutionary wars -- to change the fundamental nature of the system of government; class wars -- a form of civil war initiated by the oppressed class to gain a more equal distribution of wealth; civil wars that seek separation from, or dissolution of, an existing confederation or union based on incompatible fundamental values and socio-economic structures; civil wars that seek redistribution of land (see class wars); race wars -- either tribal vendettas or wars waged by the oppressed race against the ruling race; fearless leader wars -- my king can stomp your king's @$$; wars for no other purpose than to occupy the troops and keep the peoples' minds off other problems -- the Romans probably invented these but they are still being imitated to this day; wars to spread civilization and enforce the peace -- the benefits of these are only appreciated a couple of centuries after the fact (pax Romana, pax Britannica, pax Americana -- a work in progress, etc.); and the list goes on. One of the early philosophers (I can't remember which one) described it as order vs. disorder. In this view, the highest form of order would be a single absolute authority. Any division of authority would amount to disorder that would eventually be resolved through conflict. The naive optimistic view is that this state can be achieved by consent of the various states -- hence the formation of the United Nations. This won't work as long as all of the other differences between the individual states remain -- different languages, different cultures, different religions, different stages of technological development, different standards of living, different levels of military strength, different levels of natural resources, different legal systems, different systems of government, etc. But there are movements in this direction: EU. Getting back to the order vs. disorder analogy: Order would require that there be one absolute world authority, one state (no national boundaries), one language, one religion, one level of technological development, one standard of living, one political system, one legal system, equal distribution of natural resources, etc. This is so utopian and unamerican that it would be dismissed as absurd by most of us today. I cannot see it happening anytime in the next millennium. In the meantime, we will continue to wage wars whenever we perceive that the existing peace is imperfect due to unequal distribution of resources, perceived threats to existing standards of living (resources again), differences in military strength that permit one state to enforce its will on another, deranged fearless leaders, differences in standards of living among classes within a state -- class wars, perceived grievances or transgressions that date back hundreds of years, and the list goes on again. War seems to be a uniquely human endeavor. No other animal is as good at it as we are or even as interested in it as we are. It is almost as if states (tribes) take on a life of their own and acquire aggressive tendencies greater than those of the individual. Somewhere in the social structures of H. sapiens a fundamental change takes place. Originally this was at the tribal level. I think you can see something similar in rioting crowds and mobs. How is it that college students from well off families can run wild and destroy property just because their team just won a championship? Would any of them act that way alone? IMHO we are not ready for peace. War is inevitable. Peace is just the halftime show. We have a long, long way to go before we will be capable of achieving an enduring worldwide peace. ninong -- did you check out www.snitchreport.com yet? Do I have to publicly admit that? __________________ Ninong

01-13-2003, 05:53 PM	#52
SPasse Moderator Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Forney Texas USA Posts: 2,304	Hi All, O.K. is the snitch report connected in any way with the Comedy Channel? Ninong, no we have got a ways to go before we are ready for Zefram Cochrane to do his thing with Warp Drive and set us up for our “First Contact” I don’t know which comedy routine this is from but George Carlin has routine where he talks about how “displeased” our “intergalactic friends” would be if we were able to “explore” space to any meaningful extent. (At our present state of social development) His basic point is that we would probably be “quarantined” (at best). Regards, Scott __________________ Founding Member – Rocky Mountain Reef Club You can see my former reeftank at http://www.sdpasse.com

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01-11-2003, 03:32 AM	#42
wgscott Governor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: CA, USA Posts: 1,240	Can't we just stay on topic?

01-11-2003, 03:34 AM	#43
wgscott Governor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: CA, USA Posts: 1,240	Although this one should get the old juices fired up:

01-11-2003, 02:08 PM	#46
wgscott Governor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: CA, USA Posts: 1,240	Well, if we remove the pretext, we can at least do the controlled experiment. (i.e., abolish religions, and see if the world becomes a worse or better place. If it becomes worse, you can have them back.) Schro: Here's where they came from: http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/PhotoAlbum1.html You might find this one entertaining too. I had tears rolling down my face I was laughing so hard: http://www.snitchreport.com/

01-11-2003, 03:33 PM	#47
Caesar Augustus Mayor Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Birmingham,AL U.S.A. Posts: 980	I'm done with this post! Just so as you know WG, I'm not mad at you, I pity you. Romans 12:19 Keep the faith, Bonaparte

01-11-2003, 11:31 PM	#48
wgscott Governor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: CA, USA Posts: 1,240	If it be the will of Allah.

01-13-2003, 04:19 AM	#50
wgscott Governor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: CA, USA Posts: 1,240	Spasse does have a point though. People would just find something else to have wars about. ninong -- did you check out www.snitchreport.com yet?

01-21-2003, 01:31 AM	#53
wgscott Governor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: CA, USA Posts: 1,240	I think the most compelling evidence for the existence of extra-terrestrial intelligent beings is that they haven't tried to get in touch with us.

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