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    "Overcoming Liberalism: A 12-Step Program"

    The Program: Step 1: Admitting that you're a liberal.

    This is the first step for every liberal on the way to recovery. It is important to understand that you're not “progressive,” “moderate,” or “ enlightened.” You're a liberal, and you need to be honest with yourself about that fact.

    Step 2: Pledge to support your beliefs with facts.

    Realize that truth is more important than moral superiority and is the only way to come over to reality. You must research beyond propaganda from the Sierra Club, Hillary Clinton, and CNN (the Communist News Network) to understand things as they really exist in the world. You can no longer argue based on “feelings” or emotion. You will actually need to back up your arguments with real information. This is a difficult step, because it means you cant be lazy any more.

    Step 3: Love America!

    This may be the most difficult step for those of you who are hippies and peaceniks. Admitting that the country you hate actually stands as a beacon to defend freedom throughout the world can make some of you physically ill. You might want to make a visit to a military cemetery to better understand that these men and women gave their lives so that you could spew hatred. Otherwise, you would currently be living in a police state that would never let you wear that nasty patchouli oil, let alone speak out against your government.

    Step 4: Take a college level economics class.

    I've always defined a Socialist as someone who has never taken an economics class. Most Socialists I’ve spoke with would have a hard time balancing their checkbooks, let alone explaining the simple concept of supply and-demand. Its time to flush your complete ignorance of basic economics down the toilet and understand how the world actually functions. This concept will be very important for the next steps that involve communism, facts about corporations, and the inefficiencies of government.

    Step 5: Say “no” to Communism and Socialism.

    While this concept is obvious to most of the free world, it is an important step in your recovery process. If you have difficulty with this step, spend a week living and working in Cuba.

    Step 6: Corporations are not evil.

    If you're reading this article online or in an e-mail, it's thanks to corporations. If you get some kind of paycheck, you can thank corporations. If you work for a non-profit or the government, you still have to thank corporations. The non-profit sector and the government wouldn't have any money to pay you without corporations. It is also important that you understand that making a profit doesn't equate to “greed” or exploitation. Capitalism has created the greatest society in our world’s history. Even communist countries need corporations to survive, so enjoy a nice, hot cup of reality.

    Step 7: The government is inefficient!

    If you are one of those liberals who believe the government should tax us more in order to take care of society, you need to pay special attention to this step. You need to realize that government bureaucracy will waste most of your tax dollars, while the private sector will put your money to much better use. Even most Democrat politicians understand this to some degree, which is why Hillary’s socialist healthcare proposal was voted down by a majority of both Democrats and Republicans. Go to your local post office or call the IRS to ask a tax question if you need a reminder about government inefficiency.

    Step 8: The earth is not your “mother,” and she's not dying

    The time has now come to stop your donations to Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, and every other EnviroNazi organization to which you belong. Face the reality that the earth, society, and our environment are better off today than ever in recorded history and that they are continuing to improve. I realize that many of you tree huggers will have a very difficult time letting go of the Douglas Fir on this one. I would suggest reading The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjorn Lomborg. Mr. Lomborg is a former member of Greenpeace and is currently a statistics professor at a university in Denmark. He set out to prove the world was in bad shape and ended up surprising himself by proving the exact opposite.

    Step 9: Stop smoking the wacky tobaccy.

    Okay, some of you might need to enter another 12-step program to complete this step. Marijuana is distorting your sense of reality, and you need to stop using it. Besides, you’ll save a fortune on snacks.

    Step 10: Eat a hamburger.

    If God didn’t intend for us to eat animals, he wouldn’t have made them out of meat. You can put your sprouts and tofu on the hamburger, but get some meat into you. You’ll look and feel better than you ever imagined. You can always remind yourself that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian to get you through this step.

    Step 11: Stop rewriting political history.

    It’s now time to admit that Bill Clinton is a lying-cheating-sexist-racist-rapist jackass, Hillary Clinton is one of the worst role models for women in this country, Al Gore really did lose the 2000 election by every vote tabulation you attempt, Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War and didn’t create the homeless problem, John McCain is not a typical Republican, and Jimmy Carter is a nice man but has one of the worst presidential records of anyone in history.

    Step 12: Be a missionary.

    Once you have completed the previous steps to overcoming liberalism, it ’s time for you to share this awakening with others who are not as fortunate. Go out amongst the liberal sheep and spread the good word of your freedom from the chains of ignorance that once bound you. Congratulations, and welcome to reality.
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    Re: Overcoming Liberalism: A 12-Step Program

    Originally posted by Napoleon
    "Overcoming Liberalism: A 12-Step Program"

    The Program: Step 1: Admitting that you're a liberal.

    This is the first step for every liberal on the way to recovery. It is important to understand that you're not ?progressive,? ?moderate,? or ? enlightened.? You're a liberal, and you need to be honest with yourself about that fact.
    I'm a Conservative. But what the hell, I'll play.


    Step 2: Pledge to support your beliefs with facts.

    Realize that truth is more important than moral superiority and is the only way to come over to reality. You must research beyond propaganda from the Sierra Club, Hillary Clinton, and CNN (the Communist News Network)
    Huh? CNN is Communist? What planet are you from?

    to understand things as they really exist in the world. You can no longer argue based on ?feelings? or emotion. You will actually need to back up your arguments with real information. This is a difficult step, because it means you cant be lazy any more.
    This sort of argumentation is of course perfectly acceptable if you are a radical right-wing reactionary statist Constitution-defiling fascist like George Bush and his criminal claque, however.

    Step 3: Love America!
    I do. And America as a political entity derives from the Constitution as a set of inexorable axiomatic principles from which all else follows. Therefore, anyone like Ashcroft, Bush, etc, who suspends portions of the Constitution that they find inconvenient is not only a hard-core America-hater, but is also treasonous and should be hanged.

    ... Otherwise, you would currently be living in a police state that would never let you wear that nasty patchouli oil, let alone speak out against your government.
    Much like the reactionary-right wing radical statist extremists that have mis-appropriated the term "Conservative" hope to do in this country whose democracy they hate with a passion that matches the 9-11 attackers from Saudi Arabia whose paymasters they refuse to pursue.

    Step 4: Take a college level economics class.
    Why not take a college level class in Astrology?

    I've always defined a Socialist as someone who has never taken an economics class.
    That shows you have never taken one either, because a socialist is defined as someone who thinks the means of production should be owned by the State, a form of radical statism that differs quite trivially from that advocated by the people currently in power in this country that you wrongly assume to be conservatives.

    Most Socialists I?ve spoke with
    meaning none.

    would have a hard time balancing their checkbooks,
    Einstein called himself a socialist.

    let alone explaining the simple concept of supply and-demand.
    Ever read Marx? Whether you agree with him or don't (and I don't), this is pretty clearly what he spends much of his time focusing on, and criticizing.

    Its time to flush your complete ignorance of basic economics down the toilet and understand how the world actually functions. This concept will be very important for the next steps that involve communism, facts about corporations, and the inefficiencies of government.
    Oh, do tell, and please remember to back it up with facts, like a good "conservative."

    Step 5: Say ?no? to Communism and Socialism.
    Reality check: that was yesterday's boogieman. Now they are all gone (except for the ones we like in China) the new boogieman-of-the-month is the Islamo-terrorist, except the Saudi ones.

    While this concept is obvious to most of the free world,
    Where is that, Sweden?

    it is an important step in your recovery process. If you have difficulty with this step, spend a week living and working in Cuba.
    Why, when we have state-sponsored socialism for rich people right here?

    Step 6: Corporations are not evil.
    Some are, some aren't. But giving corporations the same rights as human beings is evil, unless of course we are also allowed to apply the Death Penalty just as freely.

    If you're reading this article online or in an e-mail, it's thanks to corporations.
    No its not. It is thanks to big fat bloated government. Remember, you have to back up your assertions with facts, not Limbaughesque imaginative hallucinations of reality.

    If you get some kind of paycheck, you can thank corporations.
    Unless you are the quarter of the population that works in the so-called public sector.

    If you work for a non-profit or the government, you still have to thank corporations. The non-profit sector and the government wouldn't have any money to pay you without corporations.
    Evidence for this?

    It is also important that you understand that making a profit doesn't equate to ?greed? or exploitation. Capitalism has created the greatest society in our world?s history. Even communist countries need corporations to survive, so enjoy a nice, hot cup of reality.
    Paying a corporate CEO 100s of millions of dollars when workers are laid off or the corporation is looted Enron-style is however greed.

    Step 7: The government is inefficient!
    So are corporations. Let's abolish both.

    If you are one of those liberals who believe the government should tax us more in order to take care of society, you need to pay special attention to this step. You need to realize that government bureaucracy will waste most of your tax dollars, while the private sector will put your money to much better use. Even most Democrat politicians understand this to some degree, which is why Hillary?s socialist healthcare proposal was voted down by a majority of both Democrats and Republicans.
    But it doesn't explain why it was supported by the major insurance companies. It wasn't socialized medicine. It was to be an enormous government gift to a few large corporations, much the same way as the defence department procurement works. This isn't free enterprise. It is just another version of State-Socialism.

    Go to your local post office
    Which is actually a corporation. Bet you didn't know that.


    Step 8: The earth is not your ?mother,? and she's not dying

    The time has now come to stop your donations to Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, and every other EnviroNazi organization to which you belong. Face the reality that the earth, society, and our environment are better off today than ever in recorded history and that they are continuing to improve. I realize that many of you tree huggers will have a very difficult time letting go of the Douglas Fir on this one. I would suggest reading The Skeptical Environmentalist by Bjorn Lomborg. Mr. Lomborg is a former member of Greenpeace and is currently a statistics professor at a university in Denmark. He set out to prove the world was in bad shape and ended up surprising himself by proving the exact opposite.
    Earth First and the Sea-Sheapard society get my donations. No pansy-ass liberals for me.

    Step 9: Stop smoking the wacky tobaccy.
    Stop subsidizing the regular kind with government handouts to the tobacco industry. Send the tobacco executives to prison, or preferably the gallows.


    Step 10: Eat a hamburger.

    If God didn?t intend for us to eat animals, he wouldn?t have made them out of meat. You can put your sprouts and tofu on the hamburger, but get some meat into you. You?ll look and feel better than you ever imagined. You can always remind yourself that Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian to get you through this step.
    That proves a lot.

    Step 11: Stop rewriting political history.
    Stop corporate media distortions and omissions of the news.

    It?s now time to admit that Bill Clinton is a lying-cheating-sexist-racist-rapist jackass, Hillary Clinton is one of the worst role models for women in this country,
    Time to recognize that these idiots were to the right of Richard Nixon on the political spectrum.

    Al Gore really did lose the 2000 election by every vote tabulation you attempt,
    It was stolen before it ever began. The only crisis occurred when the two State-Corporate candidates started doing to each other what they happily do to the Libertarians and all other "minor-party" candidates all the time.

    Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War and didn?t create the homeless problem, John McCain is not a typical Republican, and Jimmy Carter is a nice man but has one of the worst presidential records of anyone in history.
    Carter was a war criminal as far as I am concerned. But what does this prove?

    Step 12: Be a missionary.
    Ok

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    would have a hard time balancing their checkbooks,
    Einstein called himself a socialist.
    Einstein also failed Math, so he probably couldn't balance his checkbook!!

    You guys have fun here, I'm staying neutral on this one, except to say that, Nap, that was funny as hell-

    WG - that was funny as hell-

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    WG your converted!! Welcome! I knew you'd love that one. A buddy of mine send it to me via e-mail, I just had to share. Before I'd reply to your reply's, I'd sooner bang my head against a wall and consider it changing your mind.
    Keep the Faith,
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    I think it is safe to say the guy who invented tensor calculus to describe the curvature of space-time in general relativity probably failed his math class (if this is true) due to boredom rather than stupidity.

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    Originally posted by Napoleon

    Keep the Faith,
    Napoleon
    No faith here, just the cold calculus of reason.

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    Your reason is faith friend. Your faith. Your reason is no reason at all to me. I find your reason as forign as you mine. The belief that your reason is true and mine is false is, needless to say, a leap of faith.
    Napoleon

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    Einstein also failed Math, so he probably couldn't balance his checkbook!!

    He failed a lot of subjects in his early years in school because he was bored to death. He even failed the entrance exams to Zurich Polytechnic the first time he applied, so he had to attend another school first before he was eventually admitted to Zurich Polytechnic. After graduation from Zurich Polytechnic, he took a job as a teacher of mathematics and physics. That was before he went to work for the Swiss Patent Office.

    Was Einstein a genius? Absolutely! No one since Isaac Newton even approaches his genius. Maybe that's why Time Magazine named him their "Man of the Century."

    In 1905, Einstein is 26, a patent examiner, working on physics on his own. After hours, he creates the Special Theory of Relativity, in which he demonstrates that measurements of time and distance vary systematically as anything moves relative to anything else. Which means that Newton was wrong. Space and time are not absolute -- and the relativistic universe we inhabit is not the one Newton "discovered."

    That's pretty good -- but one idea, however spectacular, does not make a demi-god. But now add the rest of what Einstein did in 1905:

    In March, Einstein creates the quantum theory of light, the idea that light exists as tiny packets, or particles, that we now call photons. Alongside Max Planck's work on quanta of heat, and Niels Bohr's later work on quanta of matter, Einstein's work anchors the most shocking idea in twentieth century physics: we live in a quantum universe, one built out of tiny, discrete chunks of energy and matter.

    Next, in April and May, Einstein publishes two papers. In one he invents a new method of counting and determining the size of the atoms or molecules in a given space and in the other he explains the phenomenon of Brownian motion. The net result is a proof that atoms actually exist -- still an issue at that time -- and the end to a millennia-old debate on the fundamental nature of the chemical elements.

    And then, in June, Einstein completes special relativity -- which adds a twist to the story: Einstein's March paper treated light as particles, but special relativity sees light as a continuous field of waves. Alice's Red Queen can accept many impossible things before breakfast, but it takes a supremely confident mind to do so. Einstein, age 26, sees light as wave and particle, picking the attribute he needs to confront each problem in turn. Now that's tough.

    And of course, Einstein isn't finished. Later in 1905 comes an extension of special relativity in which Einstein proves that energy and matter are linked in the most famous relationship in physics: E=mc2. (The energy content of a body is equal to the mass of the body times the speed of light squared). At first, even Einstein does not grasp the full implications of his formula, but even then he suggests that the heat produced by radium could mark the conversion of tiny amounts of the mass of the radium salts into energy.

    In sum -- an amazing outburst: Einstein's 1905 still evokes awe. Historians call it the annus mirabilis, the miracle year. Einstein ranges from the smallest scale to the largest (for special relativity is embodied in all motion throughout the universe), through fundamental problems about the nature of energy, matter, motion, time and space--all the while putting in forty hours a week at the patent office.

    And that alone would have been enough to secure Einstein's reputation. But it is what comes next that is almost more remarkable. After 1905, Einstein achieves what no one since has equaled: a twenty year run at the cutting edge of physics. For all the miracles of his miracle year, his best work is still to come:

    In 1907, he confronts the problem of gravitation -- the same problem that Newton confronted, and solved -- almost. Einstein begins his work with one crucial insight: gravity and acceleration are equivalent, two facets of the same phenomenon. Where this "principle of equivalence" will lead remains obscure, but to Einstein, it offers the first hint of a theory that could supplant Newton's.

    Before anyone else, Einstein recognizes the essential dualism in nature, the co-existence of particles and waves at the level of quanta. In 1911 he declares resolving the quantum issue to be the central problem of physics.

    Even the minor works resonate. For example, in 1910, Einstein answers a basic question: "Why is the sky blue?" His paper on the phenomenon called critical opalescence solves the problem by examining the cumulative effect of the scattering of light by individual molecules in the atmosphere.

    Then in 1915, Einstein completes the General Theory of Relativity--the product of eight years of work on the problem of gravity. In general relativity Einstein shows that matter and energy--all the "stuff" in the universe--actually mold the shape of space and the flow of time. What we feel as the "force" of gravity is simply the sensation of following the shortest path we can through curved, four-dimensional space-time. It is a radical vision: space is no longer the box the universe comes in; instead, space and time, matter and energy are, as Einstein proves, locked together in the most intimate embrace.

    In 1917, Einstein publishes a paper which uses general relativity to model the behavior of an entire universe. General relativity has spawned some of the weirdest, and most important results in modern astronomy, but Einstein's paper is the starting point, the first in the modern field of cosmology--the study of the behavior of the universe as a whole. (It is also the paper in which Einstein makes what he would call his worst blunder--inventing a "cosmological constant" to keep his universe static. When Einstein learned of Edwin Hubble's observations that the universe is expanding, he promptly jettisoned the constant.)

    Returning to the quantum, by 1919, six years before the invention of quantum mechanics and the uncertainty principle Einstein recognizes that there might be a problem with the classical notion of cause and effect. Given the peculiar, dual nature of quanta as both waves and particles, it might be impossible, he warns, to definitively tie effects to their causes.

    Yet as late as 1924 and 1925, Einstein still makes significant contributions to the development of quantum theory. His last work on the theory builds on ideas developed by Satyendra Nath Bose, and predicts a new state of matter (to add to the list of solid, liquid, and gas) called a Bose-Einstein condensate. The condensate was finally created at exceptionally low temperatures only last year.

    In sum: Einstein is famous for his distaste for modern quantum theory --largely because its probabilistic nature forbids a complete description of cause and effect. But still, he recognizes many of the fundamental implications of the idea of the quantum long before the rest of the physics community does.

    After the quantum mechanical revolution of 1925 through 1927, Einstein spends the bulk of his remaining scientific career searching for a deeper theory to subsume quantum mechanics and eliminate its probabilities and uncertainties. It is the end, as far as his contemporaries believe, of Einstein's active participation in science. He generates pages of equations, geometrical descriptions of fields extending through many dimensions that could unify all the known forces of nature. None of the theories work out. It is a waste of time...and yet

    Contemporary theoretical physics is dominated by what are known as "String theories." They are multi-dimensional. (Some versions include as many as 26 dimensions, with fifteen or sixteen curled up in a tiny ball.) They are geometrical -- the interactions of one multi-dimensional shape with another produces the effects we call forces, just as the "force" of gravity in general relativity is what we feel as we move through the curves of four-dimensional space-time. And they unify, no doubt about it: in the math, at least, all of nature from quantum mechanics to gravity emerges from the equations of string theory.

    As it stands, string theories are unproved, and perhaps unprovable, as they involve interactions at energy levels far beyond any we can handle. But they are beautiful, to those versed enough in the language of mathematics to follow them. And in their beauty (and perhaps in their impenetrability) they are the heirs to Einstein's primitive, first attempts to produce a unified field theory.

    Between 1905 to 1925, Einstein transformed humankind's understanding of nature on every scale, from the smallest to that of the cosmos as a whole. Now, nearly a century after he began to make his mark, we are still exploring Einstein's universe. The problems he could not solve remain the ones that define the cutting edge, the most tantalizing and compelling.
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    I think it is safe to say the guy who invented tensor calculus to describe the curvature of space-time in general relativity probably failed his math class (if this is true) due to boredom rather than stupidity.
    I'll go there with you, I do know he was LD in math, and I want to say Dyslexic (which was probably the cause, if it is indeed true)

    I think it was supposedly High school math, and he was probably either bored, or the teacher didn't like him cause he was smarter.

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    OK -- I feel the need to contribute my 2C here...

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    to understand things as they really exist in the world. You can no longer argue based on ?feelings? or emotion. You will actually need to back up your arguments with real information. This is a difficult step, because it means you cant be lazy any more.

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    This sort of argumentation is of course perfectly acceptable if you are a radical right-wing reactionary statist Constitution-defiling fascist like George Bush and his criminal claque, however.

    I feel I have to agree w WG on this one... Wasn't Ken Lay(Leigh?) one of Dubbya's $100K plus "super donors"(I forget what crazy quasi-religious name they were given) in the last campaign cycle??
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    Step 3: Love America!

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    I do. And America as a political entity derives from the Constitution as a set of inexorable axiomatic principles from which all else follows. Therefore, anyone like Ashcroft, Bush, etc, who suspends portions of the Constitution that they find inconvenient is not only a hard-core America-hater, but is also treasonous and should be hanged.

    Well, maybe not hanged, I'm generally opposed to cap punishment, but only because I don't think it's evenly applied. Most Americans "love America", but that doesn't mean that voicing a dissenting viewpoint from that of the person/group who happens to be in residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave means that I hate America... despite what those folks would like you to believe.



    [QUOTE]Oh, do tell, and please remember to back it up with facts, like a good "conservative


    I have to agree here... "Dubbya" and his administration are notorious for skewing facts to suit their purposes..

    No its not. It is thanks to big fat bloated government. Remember, you have to back up your assertions with facts, not Limbaughesque imaginative hallucinations of reality.
    I double agree here..

    I could go on, but this is getting too long. However, I feel compelled to point out that I DO eat hamburger, and that eating one has nothing to do with my political beliefs (which by the way are fiscally "conservative" and socially moderate to "liberal"..

    AND, like her or hate her, you cannot dispute the fact that Hilary Clinton is an extremely intelligent (excelled academically), did extremely well in her profession (if we use $$ as a barometer of success, which every one does), and now holds a select political office with a small group of peers, and an even smaller female peer group. How is this being a bad role model???

    Step 12: Be a missionary.
    'k, but what will this prove? And a missionary for WHAT?

    'nuff said. Time to vacte the soap box.

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    Originally posted by Biomanjcs72
    I'll go there with you, I do know he was LD in math, and I want to say Dyslexic (which was probably the cause, if it is indeed true)

    I think it was supposedly High school math, and he was probably either bored, or the teacher didn't like him cause he was smarter.
    He wasn't dyslexic. He did have poor grades in school in Germany and left at 15 to follow his family to Milan. He just wasn't that interested in school in his earlier years and found the teachers boring. He didn't start to come into his own until his late teens and early twenties.
    Ninong

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    niehter ma I.

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    Welcome to the longest replys in the history of Reefland BTW WG be honest, you printed the 12 step program and its on your fridge right now. ANd Bio I just knew you'd love it! I'll give you a hollar later.
    Keep the Faith,
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    You wouldn't know a conservative if he came up behind you and bit you in the arse.

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    Originally posted by wgscott
    You wouldn't know a conservative if he came up behind you and bit you in the arse.
    Unless it was J Edgar Hoover...rumor has it he "nibbled" first.

    ...or was that Joseph McCarthy?

    I get my cross dressers confused.

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    Wink

    If you consider yourself a conservative then perhaps your "right";)

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    hmm, was hilter conserative? LOL sounds like it

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    Originally posted by zack s
    hmm, was hilter conserative? LOL sounds like it
    Yes, Hitler considered himself a conservative. In fact, he considered himself a right-wing Christian conservative. He never did renounce his Roman Catholic faith.

    "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

    Although Hitler did not practice religion in a churchly sense, he certainly believed in the Bible's God. Raised as Catholic he went to a monastery school and, interestingly, walked everyday past a stone arch upon which was carved the monastery's coat of arms which included a swastika. As a young boy, Hitler's most ardent goal was to become a priest. Much of his philosophy came from the Bible, and more influentially, from the Christian Social movement. (The German Christian Social movement, remarkably, resembles the Christian Right movement in America today.) Many have questioned Hitler's stand on Christianity. Although he fought against certain Catholic priests who opposed him for political reasons, his belief in God and country never left him. As evidence to his claimed Christianity, he said:

    "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."

    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
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    "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." --
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    Was Hitler supported by the conservative right in the United States?

    You be the judge:


    Henry Ford: Hitler's First Foreign Backer

    On December 20, 1922 the New York Times reported that automobile manufacturer Henry Ford was financing Adolph Hitler's nationalist and anti-Semitic movements in Munich. Simultaneously, the Berlin newspaper Berliner Tageblatt appealed to the American Ambassador in Berlin to investigate and halt Henry Ford's intervention into German domestic affairs. It was reported that Hitler's foreign backers had furnished a "spacious headquarters" with a "host of highly paid lieutenants and officials." Henry Ford's portrait was prominently displayed on the walls of Hitler's personal office:

    The wall behind his desk in Hitler's private office is decorated with a large picture of Henry Ford. In the antechamber there is a large table covered with books, nearly all of which are a translation of a book written and published by Henry Ford.

    The same New York Times report commented that the previous Sunday Hitler had reviewed,

    The so-called Storming Battalion.., 1,000 young men in brand new uniforms and armed with revolvers and blackjacks, while Hitler and his henchmen drove around in two powerful brand-new autos.

    The Times made a clear distinction between the German monarchist parties and Hitler's anti-Semitic fascist party. Henry Ford, it was noted, ignored the Hohenzollern monarchists and put his money into the Hitlerite revolutionary movement.

    These Ford funds were used by Hitler to foment the Bavarian rebellion. The rebellion failed, and Hitler was captured and subsequently brought to trial. In February 1923 at the trial, vice president Auer of the Bavarian Diet testified:

    The Bavarian Diet has long had the information that the Hitler movement was partly financed by an American anti-Semitic chief, who is Henry Ford. Mr. Ford's interest in the Bavarian anti-Semitic movement began a year ago when one of Mr. Ford's agents, seeking to sell tractors, came in contact with Diedrich Eichart, the notorious Pan-German. Shortly after, Herr Eichart asked Mr. Ford's agent for financial aid. The agent returned to America and immediately Mr. Ford's money began coming to Munich.

    Herr Hitler openly boasts of Mr. Ford's support and praises Mr. Ford as a great individualist and a great anti-Semite. A photograph of Mr. Ford hangs in Herr Hitler's quarters, which is the center of monarchist movement.

    Hitler received a mild and comfortable prison sentence for his Bavarian revolutionary activities. The rest from more active pursuits enabled him to write Mein Kampf. Henry Ford's book, The International Jew, earlier circulated by the Nazis, was translated by them into a dozen languages, and Hitler utilized sections of the book verbatim in writing Mein Kampf.

    We shall see later that Hitler's backing in the late 20s and early 30s came from the chemical, steel, and electrical industry cartels, rather than directly from individual industrialists. In 1928 Henry Ford merged his German assets with those of the I.G. Farben chemical cartel. A substantial holding, 40 percent of Ford Motor A.G. of Germany, was transferred to I.G. Farben; Carl Bosch of I.G. Farben became head of Ford A.G. Motor in Germany. Simultaneously, in the United States Edsel Ford joined the board of American I.G. Farben.

    Henry Ford Receives a Nazi Medal

    A decade later, in August 1938 — after Hitler had achieved power with the aid of the cartels — Henry Ford received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle, a Nazi decoration for distinguished foreigners. The New York Times reported it was the first time the Grand Cross had been awarded in the United States and was to celebrate Henry Ford's 75th birthday. http://www.reformed-theology.org/htm...chapter_06.htm


    Rockefeller Family's Standard Oil Company Fuels World War II

    In two years Germany will be manufacturing oil and gas enough out of soft coal for a long war. The Standard Oil of New York is furnishing millions of dollars to help. (Report from the Commercial Attaché, U.S. Embassy in Berlin, Germany, January 1933, to State Department in Washington, D.C,) http://www.reformed-theology.org/htm...chapter_04.htm


    General Electric Funds Hitler
    http://www.reformed-theology.org/htm...chapter_03.htm


    The German Firms Affiliated with International General Electric and International Telephone and Telegraph were NOT bombed in WWII
    http://www.reformed-theology.org/htm...rld%20War%20II
    But their competitors were.


    Wall Street and the Nazi Inner Circle

    During the entire period of our business contacts we had no inkling of Farben's conniving part in Hitler's brutal policies. We offer any help we can give to see that complete truth is brought to light and that rigid justice is done. (F. W. Abrams, Chairman of the Board, Standard Oil of New Jersey, 1946.)

    Adolf Hitler, Hermann Goering, Josef Goebbels, and Heinrich Himmler, the inner group of Naziism, were at the same time heads of minor fiefdoms within the Nazi State. Power groups or political cliques were centered around these Nazi leaders, more importantly after the late 1930s around Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler, Reich-Leader of the S.S. (the dreaded Schutzstaffel). The most important of these Nazi inner circles was created by order of the Fuehrer; it was known first as the Keppler Circle and later as Himmler's Circle of Friends.

    The Keppler Circle originated as a group of German businessmen supporting Hitler's rise to power before and during 1933. In the mid-1930s the Keppler Circle came under the influence and protection of S.S. chief Himmler and the organizational control of Cologne banker and prominent Nazi businessman Kurt von Schroder. Schroder, it will be recalled, was head of the J.H. Stein Bank in Germany and affiliated with the L. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation of New York. It is within this innermost of the inner circles, the very core of Naziism, that we find Wall Street, including Standard Oil of New Jersey and I.T.T., represented from 1933 to as late as 1944.
    http://www.reformed-theology.org/htm...chapter_09.htm
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