Important Scientific Research

**Ninong** · 04-05-2003, 02:05 AM

Japan just killed 440 Minke whales in the Antartic Ocean for "research." After the government has finished its important scientific research, the whale meat will be sold on the open market to fund further "research."

"This research expedition covered minke whales only," Nakatsuka said, adding that the mission was part of a government research program.

http://animal.discovery.com/news/afp...53.40147120045

Bamm Bamm · 04-05-2003, 03:24 PM

That's alot of fish I can't beleive they killed that many whales I wonder what exactly they were researching?

**Ninong** · 04-05-2003, 06:35 PM

Bamm Bamm,

They aren't actually researching anything other than how many whales they can kill for food for their population without pissing off the planet to the point that somebody drops a bomb on them.

They should just admit that they are going to kill whales for consumption and everybody else can just get over it, instead of pretending to be doing research. Everybody knows what they are doing but they still pretend that they are doing "research."

P.S. -- Whales are mammals.

Bamm Bamm · 04-05-2003, 08:58 PM

I can see the signs now at McDonals

" Come in today and try our New Whale Burgers, bigger and fatter than any other burger"

almostdiva · 04-07-2003, 11:41 AM

Ninong,

How do they get around the CITIES regs? The "research" slant? I thought I read somewhere when all this was announced that someone was challenging the "research". Guess they really got nowhere, huh?

Rebecca

**Ninong** · 04-07-2003, 12:30 PM

In 1986 the International Whaling Commission instituted a global whaling ban on hunting all whales. Norway and Japan have repeatedly violated the ban.

Japan says it hunts whales for scientific purposes, which is allowed under the International Whaling Commission's rules. Tokyo officially stopped commercial whaling in 1986. At first they were taking only minke whales but then they started taking hundreds of Bryde and sperm whales, too.

The US has argued that scientific experiments can be carried out without killing whales and whale meat remains a prized delicacy in Japan.

Japanese commentators have in the past complained that the international debate on whaling is based on purely moral arguments that do not take into account facts and statistics about whales and whale populations. Many Japanese feel that they are being judged unfairly for a distinctive food culture.

We had a thread on this topic a couple of years back but it was lost when the software was changed. The same Japanese fisheries official who claims that they are only doing research has also been quoted as saying that the problem with Americans is that they have a naive Free Willy mentality from watching too many Disney cartoons and movies. (P.S. -- Before anyone starts nitpicking, I realize orcas are not true whales.)

the_blue_tuna · 04-07-2003, 06:29 PM

Has anyone though stated just exactly what it is they are researching?

**Ninong** · 04-07-2003, 10:36 PM

They are not researching anything. The only claims they have ever made about their "research" is that it proves that there are way more whales out there than the rest of the world thinks and, therefore, they should be allowed to eat them. Their reasoning is that as long as no other countries resume whaling, they should be allowed to continue their "research" in peace as it would have little impact on whale populations.

Biomanjcs72 · 04-09-2003, 05:48 PM

Ninong, you must keep up W/ taxonomic changes much more than I, cause I still thought they were whales, albeit of the toothed variety.

Now, bear in mind that I stopped paying much attention when they decided that order "cetacea" (spelling?) meant all whales and not just the "toothed" whales which is what I learned 14 years ago. (of course, I can't remember what order constituted the "baleen" whales, but it was a different one)

But yes, this "research" hunt as they call it is nothing more than a way for them to bring whale meat to their population.

Minke whales don't get too large (relatively speaking of course), reach sexual maturity earlier, and breed more readily than the other, larger species. (read, they see larger herds of them and more young in the Ocean)

I put it on par with the Japanese (I think they are Japanese) aphrodesiacs that require tiger and rhino parts that they think they have to have. (Viagra anyone?)

Just my .02

**Ninong** · 04-09-2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Biomanjcs72:

Ninong, you must keep up W/ taxonomic changes much more than I, cause I still thought they were whales, albeit of the toothed variety.

They are technically the largest of the dolphins. I don't believe that's a change at all, just confusion based on their common name. Dolphins (Family Delphinidae) fall under the sub-order Odontoceti (toothed whales), but all members of the Family Delphinidae are really dolphins.

Kingdom Animalia
Phylum Chordata
Class Mammalia
Order Cetacea
[Suborder] Odontoceti
Family Delphinidae
Genus Orcinus
Species orca

Family Delphinidae:
Orcinus Orca - Orca (Killer Whale)
Pseudorca crassidens - False Killer Whale
Feresa attenuata - Pygmy Killer Whale
Peponocephala electra - Melon-Headed Whale
Globicephala melas - Long-Finned Pilot Whale
Globicephala macrorhynchus - Short-Finned Pilot Whale
Sousa chinensis; Sousa plumbea - Indo-Pacific Humpbacked Dolphin
Sousa teuszii - Atlantic Humpbacked Dolphin ;
Steno bredanensis - Rough-Toothed Dolphin
Sotalia fluviatilis - Tucuxi
Tursiops truncatus - Bottlenose Dolphin
Stenella coeruleoalba - Striped Dolphin
Stenella attenuata - Pantropical Spotted Dolphin
Stenella frontalis - Atlantic Spotted Dolphin
Stenella longirostris - Spinner Dolphin
Stenella clymene - Clymene Dolphin
Delphinus delphis - Short-Beaked Common Dolphin
Delphinus capensis - Long-Beaked Common Dolphin>
Lagenorhynchus albirostris - White-Beaked Dolphin
Lagenorhynchus acutus - Atlantic White-Sided Dolphin
Lagenorhynchus obliquidens - Pacific White-Sided Dolphin
Lagenorhynchus obscurus - Dusky Dolphin
Lagenorhynchus australis - Peale's Dolphin
Lagenorhynchus cruciger - Hourglass Dolphin
Lagenodelphis hosei - Fraser's Dolphin
Cephalorhynchus heavisidii - Heaviside's Dolphin
Cephalorhynchus eutropia - Chilean Dolphin
Cephalorhynchus hectori - Hector's Dolphin
Cephalorhynchus commersonii - Commerson's Dolphin
Lissodelphis borealis - Northern Rightwhale Dolphin
Lissodelphis peronii - Southern Rightwhale Dolphin
Grampus griseus - Risso's Dolphin
Orcaella brevirostris - Irrawaddy Dolphin

I put it on par with the Japanese (I think they are Japanese) aphrodesiacs that require tiger and rhino parts that they think they have to have. (Viagra anyone?)

That would be the Chinese.

Biomanjcs72 · 04-10-2003, 06:21 PM

Ninong:

I hope all of that was cut and paste, or your fingers must be hurting.

So different family, same order. Gotcha.

Chinese, Ok, either way, it's still horribly selfish.

04-05-2003, 02:05 AM	#1
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 19,615	Important Scientific Research Japan just killed 440 Minke whales in the Antartic Ocean for "research." After the government has finished its important scientific research, the whale meat will be sold on the open market to fund further "research." "This research expedition covered minke whales only," Nakatsuka said, adding that the mission was part of a government research program. http://animal.discovery.com/news/afp...53.40147120045 __________________ Ninong

04-05-2003, 03:24 PM	#2
Bamm Bamm Governor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Chico, NOR CAL Posts: 2,215	That's alot of fish I can't beleive they killed that many whales I wonder what exactly they were researching? __________________ 90g SPS tank 90x hour turnover- SELLING IT ALL AND GETTING OUT OF THE HOBBY FOR AWHILE...

04-05-2003, 06:35 PM	#3
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 19,615	Bamm Bamm, They aren't actually researching anything other than how many whales they can kill for food for their population without pissing off the planet to the point that somebody drops a bomb on them. They should just admit that they are going to kill whales for consumption and everybody else can just get over it, instead of pretending to be doing research. Everybody knows what they are doing but they still pretend that they are doing "research." P.S. -- Whales are mammals. __________________ Ninong

04-05-2003, 08:58 PM	#4
Bamm Bamm Governor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Chico, NOR CAL Posts: 2,215	I can see the signs now at McDonals " Come in today and try our New Whale Burgers, bigger and fatter than any other burger" __________________ 90g SPS tank 90x hour turnover- SELLING IT ALL AND GETTING OUT OF THE HOBBY FOR AWHILE...

04-07-2003, 12:30 PM	#6
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 19,615	In 1986 the International Whaling Commission instituted a global whaling ban on hunting all whales. Norway and Japan have repeatedly violated the ban. Japan says it hunts whales for scientific purposes, which is allowed under the International Whaling Commission's rules. Tokyo officially stopped commercial whaling in 1986. At first they were taking only minke whales but then they started taking hundreds of Bryde and sperm whales, too. The US has argued that scientific experiments can be carried out without killing whales and whale meat remains a prized delicacy in Japan. Japanese commentators have in the past complained that the international debate on whaling is based on purely moral arguments that do not take into account facts and statistics about whales and whale populations. Many Japanese feel that they are being judged unfairly for a distinctive food culture. We had a thread on this topic a couple of years back but it was lost when the software was changed. The same Japanese fisheries official who claims that they are only doing research has also been quoted as saying that the problem with Americans is that they have a naive Free Willy mentality from watching too many Disney cartoons and movies. (P.S. -- Before anyone starts nitpicking, I realize orcas are not true whales.) __________________ Ninong

04-07-2003, 11:41 AM	#5
almostdiva Mayor Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 963	Ninong, How do they get around the CITIES regs? The "research" slant? I thought I read somewhere when all this was announced that someone was challenging the "research". Guess they really got nowhere, huh? Rebecca

04-07-2003, 06:29 PM	#7
the_blue_tuna Governor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: colorado Posts: 1,207	Has anyone though stated just exactly what it is they are researching? __________________ In this hobby patience is not a virtue,,,,,its mandatory. Jim's Marine Links

04-07-2003, 10:36 PM	#8
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 19,615	They are not researching anything. The only claims they have ever made about their "research" is that it proves that there are way more whales out there than the rest of the world thinks and, therefore, they should be allowed to eat them. Their reasoning is that as long as no other countries resume whaling, they should be allowed to continue their "research" in peace as it would have little impact on whale populations. __________________ Ninong

04-09-2003, 05:48 PM	#9
Biomanjcs72 Mayor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Birmingham, Al, USA Posts: 815	Ninong, you must keep up W/ taxonomic changes much more than I, cause I still thought they were whales, albeit of the toothed variety. Now, bear in mind that I stopped paying much attention when they decided that order "cetacea" (spelling?) meant all whales and not just the "toothed" whales which is what I learned 14 years ago. (of course, I can't remember what order constituted the "baleen" whales, but it was a different one) But yes, this "research" hunt as they call it is nothing more than a way for them to bring whale meat to their population. Minke whales don't get too large (relatively speaking of course), reach sexual maturity earlier, and breed more readily than the other, larger species. (read, they see larger herds of them and more young in the Ocean) I put it on par with the Japanese (I think they are Japanese) aphrodesiacs that require tiger and rhino parts that they think they have to have. (Viagra anyone?) Just my .02

04-09-2003, 06:42 PM	#10
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 19,615	Originally posted by Biomanjcs72: Ninong, you must keep up W/ taxonomic changes much more than I, cause I still thought they were whales, albeit of the toothed variety. They are technically the largest of the dolphins. I don't believe that's a change at all, just confusion based on their common name. Dolphins (Family Delphinidae) fall under the sub-order Odontoceti (toothed whales), but all members of the Family Delphinidae are really dolphins. Kingdom Animalia Phylum Chordata Class Mammalia Order Cetacea [Suborder] Odontoceti Family Delphinidae Genus Orcinus Species orca Family Delphinidae: Orcinus Orca - Orca (Killer Whale) Pseudorca crassidens - False Killer Whale Feresa attenuata - Pygmy Killer Whale Peponocephala electra - Melon-Headed Whale Globicephala melas - Long-Finned Pilot Whale Globicephala macrorhynchus - Short-Finned Pilot Whale Sousa chinensis; Sousa plumbea - Indo-Pacific Humpbacked Dolphin Sousa teuszii - Atlantic Humpbacked Dolphin ; Steno bredanensis - Rough-Toothed Dolphin Sotalia fluviatilis - Tucuxi Tursiops truncatus - Bottlenose Dolphin Stenella coeruleoalba - Striped Dolphin Stenella attenuata - Pantropical Spotted Dolphin Stenella frontalis - Atlantic Spotted Dolphin Stenella longirostris - Spinner Dolphin Stenella clymene - Clymene Dolphin Delphinus delphis - Short-Beaked Common Dolphin Delphinus capensis - Long-Beaked Common Dolphin> Lagenorhynchus albirostris - White-Beaked Dolphin Lagenorhynchus acutus - Atlantic White-Sided Dolphin Lagenorhynchus obliquidens - Pacific White-Sided Dolphin Lagenorhynchus obscurus - Dusky Dolphin Lagenorhynchus australis - Peale's Dolphin Lagenorhynchus cruciger - Hourglass Dolphin Lagenodelphis hosei - Fraser's Dolphin Cephalorhynchus heavisidii - Heaviside's Dolphin Cephalorhynchus eutropia - Chilean Dolphin Cephalorhynchus hectori - Hector's Dolphin Cephalorhynchus commersonii - Commerson's Dolphin Lissodelphis borealis - Northern Rightwhale Dolphin Lissodelphis peronii - Southern Rightwhale Dolphin Grampus griseus - Risso's Dolphin Orcaella brevirostris - Irrawaddy Dolphin I put it on par with the Japanese (I think they are Japanese) aphrodesiacs that require tiger and rhino parts that they think they have to have. (Viagra anyone?) That would be the Chinese. __________________ Ninong

04-10-2003, 06:21 PM	#11
Biomanjcs72 Mayor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Birmingham, Al, USA Posts: 815	Ninong: I hope all of that was cut and paste, or your fingers must be hurting. So different family, same order. Gotcha. Chinese, Ok, either way, it's still horribly selfish.

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