[pharris]

Hi all

As subgect

Are there any Invert safe tratments for white Spot and Fungal Infections.

Thanks

Paul

[tray262]

Check this thread out. Ich Attack

[leebca]

If it is Marine Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans) you are asking about, then I can say that 'reef safe' treatments have a mixed bag of results.

When I find a new 'reef safe' treatment I ask:
1. What is it?
2. How can I measure that I have the right quantity in the tank?
3. Are there independent studies on its success?
4. What marine livestock has it been tested with?

If the manufacturer can't at least answer #3. and provide the test data, I don't bother. Everything else is anecdotal. If the effectiveness of the 'reef safe' medication isn't documented by independent testing then the manufactuer can't very well have that much faith in their own product. I mean, such a study isn't expensive.

This leaves the three most widely used and almost always successful treatment methods: hyposalinity, copper, or transfer method. The first two must be done in a hospital/treatment tank since they will kill invertebrates. The last is best done using two bare bottom tanks so that emptying and cleaning out the tank is easy.

For a fungal infection, it is first, very rare in captive marine fishes. It usually follows trauma (e.g., injury) and/or a bacterial infection. Fungi are opportunistic microorganisms (meaning they wait for any opportunity) and are hard to get established on a marine fish. Between the mucous coating and the skin, marine fish have excellent barriers against a fungal attack. Curing a marine fish of a true fungal infection is difficult, requiring some very potent meds. These usually will kill off the biological filter, live rock and most invertebrates.

[tray262]

I'm not too sure on the answers above. But I actually used this product with a lot a luck. I have many inverts in my tank which all did very well. I also have a sea hare who was unharmed. It was able to sure the ich in a few days. It's a very smelly product.

[leebca]

I assume you're referring to Ick Attack?

When I first saw the product was at their booth at a marine aquarium convention. I asked those questions. Their answers were:

1. Not going to tell you.
2. No test is needed, just trust us.
3. None available.
4. Very few.

As I mentioned, if a miracle cure manufacture has indeed got the answer, doing 3. would cost very little time and money but provide super rewards. But in the last 2 years, they have not done that.

You are the first who claimed it worked out of a few dozen I've known who have tried it. People on other boards have complained it doesn't work but costs a lot of money. Like I mentioned, you're the first to claim it worked (other than those working for the manufacturer, distributor, or sellers of the product). For me to be personally convinced, I would need a proper diagnosis of the condition/disease and verify the tank did indeed have Marine Ich before treatment. There are a few 'white spot' conditions that are not Marine Ich. Your experience doesn't match the majority reporting having used it.

If this medication was effective, can you imagine the value it would have at professional and private aquariums? for the Veterinary trade? Yet none of them report it has worked and few have been convinced to even give it a try.

I would be the first in line to buy such a cure.

[tray262]

I'm just stating my personal experiences with the product. For me I bought a fish at the LFS nocticed it was scratching it's self on the rocks, followed by white spots, that quickly spread to 3 other fish in my tank. I can understand the hesitation. I too was a little worried. But a good friend that actually got me into the hobby was the one that suggested it. Because of his luck with the product. I would have never tried it. But per his recommendation I did use it, Within a few days (7 I think) the problem had gone away totally without coming back. So for me it worked and if I ever have that problem again I will continue to use the product. Also, BubbaWPB from this site also had said he's used the product with sucess also. I think this hobby is full of trials and errors. I've made a few errors so far. But all in all. I thinks things are good. There are still people that believe that believe that T5's can't keep sps, lps and calms. So if noone ever tried how would we know ? I have since been taking better measures of controlling ich in my main display. The QT is a nice addition to the threatment. I would never clain that is greatest cure of all time. I just merly stating it worked for me. Harm none of my fish nor inverts. I'd also like to wish the guy that the top of the list luck with his problems.

[leebca]

The concept of "working" can be the challenge. I don't doubt you have an experience along the lines you write about, I'm just unsure what the fish had (disease) and whether it is actually out of the tank or the fish have developed an immunity to it, or it remains as a low-level infection. There are many procedures/resources, which to the professional, lead to concluding that the fish are cured (free of pathogens), which to the eye aren't evident.

It's just that I and most professionals work with necropsy, microscopes, grow-out plates, tissue samples and investigation to perform both the diagnosis and to determine if and when the aquarium and fish are free of the organism that was identified. This is the similar process performed by independents who would claim any medicine 'worked.' The cost is a few hundred dollars and a few weeks.

I am very pleased your fish no longer show any signs of the condition they had, however that came about. I also appreciate your contributions here.

[anthias]

me too I am happy 4 ur fish ,and for me I used one time a cure from hong kong that written it is very save for all fishes and plants,but it caused the death for my anemone .

[vaporize]

Unfortunately, they are really correct and did not lie

anemone and corals are classified as invertebrates and not "fishes or plants". Having the word 'plants' in there is already an automatic redflag because that is an indication that it is used for freshwater. Marine medication tend to be better quality in terms of composition (of course it also reflects in some of their cost).

Originally Posted by anthias

me too I am happy 4 ur fish ,and for me I used one time a cure from hong kong that written it is very save for all fishes and plants,but it caused the death for my anemone .