Ammonia/Nitrite poisoning

[baobao]

A fish from an incoming transcontinental shipment arrived nearly dead from ammonia/nitrite poisoning. I know this is very undisciplined, but I was concerned that the freshwater dip with methylene blue would have killed it. Therefore, I added it directly into my tank. My tank does run copper, but that won't protect me should it be carrying flukes.
This morning it was still alive though barely moving. I thin I've heard that methylene blue is supposed to be effective for fish suffering from ammonia and nitrite poisoning because it increases the hemoglobin level. Therefore, I was hoping to run a bath with QT water, .4ML Methyl Blue/Gallon. However, immediately, the fish started to show what I think was a sign of stress (try to stay on surface and spit water). Is the bath with MB the correct action for ammonia/nitrite poison?

[leebca]

Methylene Blue increases the oxygen content in the blood. I have not heard that it increases hemoglobin (the protein). I imagine it would take days to increase the protein content.

What Methylene Blue is particularly good for is a fish that has been cyanide poisoned. Again, that would be to increase oxygen in the blood, which may help since in cyanide poisoning the iron is tied up with the cyanide, and doesn't carry oxygen. However, there is little scientific data on this. Ornamental marine fishes are not the subject of many scientific research projects.

[baobao]

1) For fish coming in from transcontinental locations that have been in transport for prolonged periods of time and may have been caught using cyanide - would the 30 minute freshwater dip with methlyene blue be a sufficient treatment? if not, how would you treat using methylene blue?
2) what is the proper way to treat fish that suffered from ammonia & nitrite poisoning?

[leebca]

1) The MB treatment for the dip is about as good as it will get for cyanide poisoning as far as I know. However, the effects of this kind of poisoning is not easily wiped away. I don't think most would have any kind of chance if cyanide caught, for a very long life.

2) Give them the best water quality and environment and hope for the best.

[MOMSHARI]

Methylene Blue is effective against skin and gill flukes, ick, velvet, fungus and many external parasites and bacterial infections. This compound is very safe to use even for many invertebrates. Methylene Blue works by staining cells and disabling their metabolism.

{A positive side effect of this compound is the ability to increase hemoglobin}

(oxygen carrying cells) by transforming methemoglobin. Because of this characteristic,
methylene blue can be used to treat ~{nitrite}~ and cyanide poisoning.

Methylene Blue should not be used in the main aquarium as it will destroy or severely defect the biological filter bacteria. It can also permanently discolor equipment and silicate seals blue.

About 12 mg/l will treat a saltwater fish for up to one hour and a freshwater fish for up to 10 minutes. A dip can be as high as 50 mg/l for duration of 10 seconds.

(MY QUESTION IS SHOULD I DIP MY NEW ARRIVALS IN Methylene Blue before adding them to the tank????????) for possible nitrite poisoning from shipping?
and can I put it in the bag they come in after they are acclimated for 10 min more????
I have been in the aquarium store when their new arrivals came and the water they were packaged
in was blue-- where they shipped in Methylene Blue???
Thank You momshari

[MOMSHARI]

Methylene Blue is effective against skin and gill flukes, ick, velvet, fungus and many external parasites and bacterial infections. This compound is very safe to use even for many invertebrates. Methylene Blue works by staining cells and disabling their metabolism.

{A positive side effect of this compound is the ability to increase hemoglobin}

(oxygen carrying cells) by transforming methemoglobin. Because of this characteristic,
methylene blue can be used to treat ~{nitrite}~ and cyanide poisoning.

Methylene Blue should not be used in the main aquarium as it will destroy or severely defect the biological filter bacteria. It can also permanently discolor equipment and silicate seals blue.

About 12 mg/l will treat a saltwater fish for up to one hour and a freshwater fish for up to 10 minutes. A dip can be as high as 50 mg/l for duration of 10 seconds.

(MY QUESTION IS SHOULD I DIP MY NEW ARRIVALS IN Methylene Blue before adding them to the tank????????) for possible nitrite poisoning from shipping?
and can I put it in the bag they come in after they are acclimated for 10 min more????
I have been in the aquarium store when their new arrivals came and the water they were packaged
in was blue-- where they shipped in Methylene Blue???
Thank You momshari

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I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS INFORMATION FOR A WHILE. I FOUND SOME ANSWERS ON THIS WEB SITE.
THIS INFORMATION HAS BEEN HELPFUL TO ME.
I WAS WORRIED I RECEIVED SW FISH IN THE MAIL AND I WAS LUCKY
THEY WERE HEALTHY.
BUT I WANT TO BE PREPARED FOR MY NEXT ARRIVALS JUST IN CASE.

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Commonly known as "meth blue" or simply "blue," methylene blue is a wonderful medication for reversing the toxic effects of ammonia and nitrite poisoning. Methylene blue transports oxygen and aids breathing. It facilitates oxygen transport, helping fish breathe more easily by converting methemoglobin to hemoglobin -- the normal oxygen carrying component of fish blood, thus allowing more oxygen to be carried through the bloodstream. This makes it very useful for treating gill infections, low oxygen levels, or anytime your seahorses are breathing rapidly and experiencing respiratory distress. It is the drug of choice for treating hypoxic emergencies of any kind with your fish. However, methylene blue will destroy nitrifying bacteria so it should be used in a hospital tank or as a brief bath or dip only (if used in an established aquarium, it will impair the biological filtration and the tank may need to be cycled all over again).

[MOMSHARI]

A fish from an incoming transcontinental shipment arrived nearly dead from ammonia/nitrite poisoning. I know this is very undisciplined, but I was concerned that the freshwater dip with methylene blue would have killed it. Therefore, I added it directly into my tank. My tank does run copper, but that won't protect me should it be carrying flukes.
This morning it was still alive though barely moving. I thin I've heard that methylene blue is supposed to be effective for fish suffering from ammonia and nitrite poisoning because it increases the hemoglobin level. Therefore, I was hoping to run a bath with QT water, .4ML Methyl Blue/Gallon. However, immediately, the fish started to show what I think was a sign of stress (try to stay on surface and spit water). Is the bath with MB the correct action for ammonia/nitrite poison?

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I am sorry for your loss I was just wondering how long it took for the
fish to arrive to you when shipped?

I had fish shipped to me in 24 hours and they were fine.
I guess I was lucky but I am going to be prepared for my
next shipment I found a website that gives detailed information
on how to treat Ammonia/Nitrite poisoning with methylene blue you can read my post and
get the link for the future.

GOOD LUCK MOMSHARI