Can Ammonia kill marine ick?

[chshwong]

Can Ammonia kill marine ich?

I want to know that, if i fishless-cycle my small live-rock-tank with household Ammonia, will that kill any potential marine ich? I dont' care about killing the lives in there, I just need the beneficial bacterias, and put them back into my DT.

There was fish in there till this morning btw.
If that doesn't do, then I'll just wash the live rocks with tap water first, but that'll kill the little remaining bacterias that are already present and will take much longer to re-cycle.

btw, the blue damsel in there was just given away, it was healthy for the whole past month, but let's not risk

Thanks!

[leebca]

Marine Ich can and does survive low levels of ammonia. But I'm unsure why you would want to ruin your other marine life forms doing this, when all you need to do is hold the tank fishless for 8 weeks and the Marine Ich will die off on their own.

[chshwong]

Hi lee

because 8 weeks is very long to wait for something this small (it's just few rocks and potential ich), and that i already have another 30 lbs of living LR in my current 30-gallon DT, so i could care less of other live forms on these rocks, if there's any, cause I already killed them once a month ago hehe.

So i just want to keep the bacteria and kill the ich, in just few days of time.
Will they survive in HIGH ammonia level? cause it's really high...

[twisted]

are you for real? can we vote for a kick out? im sorry but i find this ignorant and offensive. people like that dont need to take care of any living creature

[Parrothead]

I'm with Twisty, this is absurd, Lee some people might read this thread and not know any better and actually do what this yo-yo is doing.

[chshwong]

Well, i'm terribly sorry if you have found me offensive, and i didn't realize you guys treat them like fish.
I didn't mean anything like that,.. it's more like.. i'm new to this hobby, and never get to see any lives on my LR, and still wondering of these "lives" are simply like those bacteria. In this case, I didn't think it was that big of a deal. But regardless of what I thought, I apologize if you think i disrespected lives, but you can rest assure that no living creatures were ever visible on my LR, not to mention that these rocks that i'm refering to have been going in and out and through hyposalinity... there never was anything much to kill. All I want to kill.. is potential ich... .. and since i'm regenerating lots of nitrifying bacteria onto my LR using pure Ammonia, I'd like to know if this would also get rid of Ich..... it was a simple question.. Thanks guys!

On the side, i didn't realize that these "lives" on lr were that important (now i know). Can you actually see them ?? How long does it take? i've only started this hobby for under 3 months..

[leebca]

To me (I can't speak for others), all life is precious. Just because it is small or even unseen doesn't mean it isn't important. Reminds me of a line from Men in Black that goes something like, 'You humans always think small things aren't important.' ;)

The life on and inside the live rock all perform a function. If you the hobbyist don't need one or more of those functions, then you can convert the live rock to base rock by boiling it (which also kills the parasite). You'll learn more about live rock from here: What is Live Rock, Anyway?

The live rock has seeded the substrate with worms and pods and other 'benthic' creatures which will die (if they haven't already from the high ammonia there now). The death of all these creatures is what creates more ammonia and pollution. The process is what we call 'crashing the tank.' Doesn't sound too pleasant, does it? It is something we avoid doing.

You're still learning. If you want to remove the rock and substrate you have now and keep it in a tub of saltwater (loosely covered) with a slow bubbling air stone for some circulation, you can do that while you clean out the tank and get it ready for the new rock and substrate. The cleaning procedure for an empty tank and equipment that had a parasite in it is given in this post: Marine System Clean Up Recommendations

[Parrothead]

first off, do some research on live rock, learn what it is,
Secondly, to properly get rid of ich, you keep your tank without fish for about 8 weeks, again research what ich is and how to treat a tank.

[Parrothead]

Sorry Lee, had to take a call and you beat me to it, I couldn't agree with you more, well put, remember all creatures great and small

[chshwong]

ok thanks guys!

now you guys sound like you're all vegetarian....