[saltjunkie]

Originally Posted by thesnailman

Please explain the risks? how often do you do water changes and what percentage do you do?

risk
pretty self explanitory
they are omnivorus and possibly may at things that they arent wanted to eat
its a risk, they may or may not....

you cant shoot holes in that response, because a risk is just that...

risk Audio pronunciation of "risk" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rsk)
n.

1. The possibility of suffering harm or loss; danger.
2. A factor, thing, element, or course involving uncertain danger; a hazard: “the usual risks of the desert: rattlesnakes, the heat, and lack of water” (Frank Clancy).
3.
1. The danger or probability of loss to an insurer.
2. The amount that an insurance company stands to lose.
4.
1. The variability of returns from an investment.
2. The chance of nonpayment of a debt.
5. One considered with respect to the possibility of loss: a poor risk.

in case my explination dont work for ya.. :slap:


or if any other words are better for ya..

Main Entry: risk
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: chance
Synonyms: accident, brinksmanship, contingency, danger, exposedness, exposure, flier, flyer, fortuity, fortune, gamble, hazard, header, jeopardy, liability, liableness, luck, openness, opportunity, peril, plunge, possibility, prospect, speculation, stab, uncertainty, venture, wager


and..
Potential
po·ten·tial Audio pronunciation of "potential" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (p-tnshl)
adj.

1. Capable of being but not yet in existence; latent: a potential problem.
2. Having possibility, capability, or power.
3. Grammar. Of, relating to, or being a verbal construction with auxiliaries such as may or can; for example, it may snow.


n.

1. The inherent ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being.
2. Something possessing the capacity for growth or development.

and....

Main Entry: potential
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: promising
Synonyms: abeyant, budding, conceivable, dormant, embryonic, future, hidden, imaginable, implied, inherent, latent, likely, lurking, plausible, possible, prepatent, probable, quiescent, thinkable, undeveloped, unrealized
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Main Entry: potential
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: possibility
Synonyms: ability, aptitude, capability, capacity, potentiality, power, the makings, wherewithal

hope that helped you with my phrase...

next..
my water changes...
when i deem them necessary (sp?).
i do not follow any rules with that, never have.
my sysyem, in case that is your next shot.
50 gallon mixed reef.. softies stonies sps, etc
gold striped maroon, atleast 4 years old in my tank, a regal tang, had for over 3.. some scooter blennies, 4 green chromis, all kinds of snails, crabs , starfish, worms pods, etc..
slammed pretty full of live rock, dont have a clue to the weight, its been added to over and over through the years... yes, years! atleast 7 if not more..
it all started out in a 10 gallon, then a custom made plexi that i made along with scott and another person from reefland, from a mishap at a party it was cracked, and i aquired Scotts old 50 gallon...
it currently has over 200 pounds of very mature southdown sand... right around 250 to be closer to exact..
my SUMP.. consists of another 25 pounds of very mature live sand, live rock and chaeto.. on 24 hour light cycle.. along with an aqua c protein skimmer
Lights consist of a
175 m mh with 14k hamilton bulb and 2x55 pc
i also have a fan in my sump for heat.... and 2 ebo jagger 200 watt heaters maintaining my tank at 84-86 degress, no temp swing, no varience
mag 7 return, and 2 maxi jets for flow...

as stated, i bought 100 of the snails.. they did theur jobs, luckily when they died, or before, the crabs consumed them..
and keep them in a neat pile in the sump

anything else?

[thesnailman]

Yes I thought so! if your not doing at least 25% water changes every two weeks then your an amature and I need not say more!

[saltjunkie]

Originally Posted by thesnailman

Yes I thought so! if your not doing at least 25% water changes every two weeks then your an amature and I need not say more!

laughable!
and that is the only reaSON you wont say more...

[saltjunkie]

Originally Posted by thesnailman

Yes I thought so! if your not doing at least 25% water changes every two weeks then your an amature and I need not say more!

and for your none knowing self.. a 10% water change once a month is way more than adequate!
you completely just shown who the amature is in this.. and everyonre reading this post knows it, and sees it...
why dont you post a link to your business address here and we will see what kind of feed back you get!

:slap: :slap: :slap:
\this guy is\
and

[Poseidon]

I would have thought that reef keepers would have learned by now, these guys just are not a good choice. Why bother shelling out cash for something that has adapted to life in temperate waters over MANY MANY MANY years? I won't keep these, nor will I keep "margarita" snails, catalina gobies, or any other species that does not come from 80-82 degree water. I find my tank works best with temps in the 78-80 degree range, and I have the SPS growth to prove it.

By the way I do water changes of about 20% once a month...Does that make me a newbie?

[saltjunkie]

Originally Posted by Poseidon

By the way I do water changes of about 20% once a month...Does that make me a newbie?

i believe it makes you uneducated...


i mean we should all do 100% water changes bi-monthly!

[thesnailman]

I STAND BY WHAT I KNOW TO BE COLD HARD FACTS, FROM YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OWNING MY OWN AQUATIC FISH STORE AND FROM WORKING FOR AND WITH VENDERS AND OTHER PET STORES AND YES SPS DOES BETTER AT SLIGHTLY HIGHER TEMPS THAN SOFT CORALS BUT I BASE WHAT I SAY ON THE NORMAL EVERY DAY GUYS REEF TANK AND EVEN KNOW SPS IS POPULAR, LESS THAN ABOUT 25% OF REEFERS KEEP THEM BECAUSE MOST REEFERS SIMPLY CAN'T KEEP THEM ALIVE! A SOFT CORAL TANK USUALLY WILL RUN AT ABOUT 75 TO 78 DEGREES AND IS ABOUT THE NORM AND THE WAY YOU TALK YOU WOULD HAVE EVERY REEFER OUT THERE RUNNING AT YOUR TEMPS BECAUSE THERE RIGHT FOR YOU WHICH IS INHERENTLY DANGEROUS FOR THERE TANKS, CORALS AND FISH. I HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH THESE CREATURES FOR THE PAST 10 TO 11 YEARS AND THEY ARE NOT DANGEROUS TO ANYTHING IN A REEF TANK EXCEPT DETRITUS AND SOME FORMS OF ALGAE! AND THATS A FACT! NOW LET'S TALK A MINUTE
ABOUT WATER CHANGES AGAIN I BASE WHAT I SAY ON THE AVERAGE GUYS REEF TANK AND SENSE I HAVE BUILT AND HELPED MAINTAIN HUNDREDS OF THEM I KNOW THE FACT THAT 90% OF THE PEOPLE THAT OWN AND RUN THEM OVER FEED THE **** OUT OF THEM WHICH IN TURN CAUSES MORE NITRATE. THIS MEANS THE TANKS WILL NEED A HIGHER VOLUME OF WATER CHANGED TO DILUTE THE NITRATE. HOW MANY REEFERS HAVE YOU SEEN BLOWING AN 1/8 INCH OF DETITUS OFF THEIR LIVE ROCK WITH A TURKEY BASTER? WELL IT'S FROM OVER FEEDING THERE TANKS. INSUDENTLY IS THE REASON THEIR BUYING THE SNAILS TO START WITH!

Originally Posted by Poseidon

I would have thought that reef keepers would have learned by now, these guys just are not a good choice. Why bother shelling out cash for something that has adapted to life in temperate waters over MANY MANY MANY years? I won't keep these, nor will I keep "margarita" snails, catalina gobies, or any other species that does not come from 80-82 degree water. I find my tank works best with temps in the 78-80 degree range, and I have the SPS growth to prove it.

By the way I do water changes of about 20% once a month...Does that make me a newbie?

[saltjunkie]

Originally Posted by thesnailman

I STAND BY WHAT I KNOW TO BE COLD HARD FACTS, FROM YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OWNING MY OWN AQUATIC FISH STORE AND FROM WORKING FOR AND WITH VENDERS AND OTHER PET STORES AND YES SPS DOES BETTER AT SLIGHTLY HIGHER TEMPS THAN SOFT CORALS BUT I BASE WHAT I SAY ON THE NORMAL EVERY DAY GUYS REEF TANK AND EVEN KNOW SPS IS POPULAR, LESS THAN ABOUT 25% OF REEFERS KEEP THEM BECAUSE MOST REEFERS SIMPLY CAN'T KEEP THEM ALIVE! A SOFT CORAL TANK USUALLY WILL RUN AT ABOUT 75 TO 78 DEGREES AND IS ABOUT THE NORM AND THE WAY YOU TALK YOU WOULD HAVE EVERY REEFER OUT THERE RUNNING AT YOUR TEMPS BECAUSE THERE RIGHT FOR YOU WHICH IS INHERENTLY DANGEROUS FOR THERE TANKS, CORALS AND FISH. I HAVE HAD EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE WITH THESE CREATURES FOR THE PAST 10 TO 11 YEARS AND THEY ARE NOT DANGEROUS TO ANYTHING IN A REEF TANK EXCEPT DETRITUS AND SOME FORMS OF ALGAE! AND THATS A FACT! NOW LET'S TALK A MINUTE
ABOUT WATER CHANGES AGAIN I BASE WHAT I SAY ON THE AVERAGE GUYS REEF TANK AND SENSE I HAVE BUILT AND HELPED MAINTAIN HUNDREDS OF THEM I KNOW THE FACT THAT 90% OF THE PEOPLE THAT OWN AND RUN THEM OVER FEED THE **** OUT OF THEM WHICH IN TURN CAUSES MORE NITRATE. THIS MEANS THE TANKS WILL NEED A HIGHER VOLUME OF WATER CHANGED TO DILUTE THE NITRATE. HOW MANY REEFERS HAVE YOU SEEN BLOWING AN 1/8 INCH OF DETITUS OFF THEIR LIVE ROCK WITH A TURKEY BASTER? WELL IT'S FROM OVER FEEDING THERE TANKS. INSUDENTLY IS THE REASON THEIR BUYING THE SNAILS TO START WITH!

well the thing is.....

your world... basically your shop, your customers, your suppplies... = your world
what you have , you sell... who buys, buys from you, what you have to sell.. they feed, what you sell them, their knowledge, unfortunantly comes from you..
so yes in your world, everyone over feeds, everyone does 30000% water changes a day,, they have to, because you sold them the food that says feed 3 times daily.. so you now have to sell them all YOUR snail to eat detritus, or blow it off with turkey basters you sold them....

so in your world, yeah, snails that live in 50 degree water are perfect for 82 degree tanks..

and owning a store doesnt mean crap..
i used to work for my LFS, because the guy wasnt as knowledgable as he needed, or should be to have a saltwater department.. thats why he hired people who knew, and know what to do with it..

Maybe you should check into this idea..
remember, your world, isnt the entire world...
and
KILL THE CAPS! SNAPPERHEAD!

nobody wants to see you type yelling cause you cant back up anything you say or do...

[thesnailman]

HOW OLD ARE YOU I8 OR 19 ? YOUR IMATURITY PRECEEDS YOU!

Originally Posted by saltjunkie

well the thing is.....

your world... basically your shop, your customers, your suppplies... = your world
what you have , you sell... who buys, buys from you, what you have to sell.. they feed, what you sell them, their knowledge, unfortunantly comes from you..
so yes in your world, everyone over feeds, everyone does 30000% water changes a day,, they have to, because you sold them the food that says feed 3 times daily.. so you now have to sell them all YOUR snail to eat detritus, or blow it off with turkey basters you sold them....

so in your world, yeah, snails that live in 50 degree water are perfect for 82 degree tanks..

and owning a store doesnt mean crap..
i used to work for my LFS, because the guy wasnt as knowledgable as he needed, or should be to have a saltwater department.. thats why he hired people who knew, and know what to do with it..

Maybe you should check into this idea..
remember, your world, isnt the entire world...
and
KILL THE CAPS! SNAPPERHEAD!

nobody wants to see you type yelling cause you cant back up anything you say or do...

[saltjunkie]

Originally Posted by thesnailman

HOW OLD ARE YOU I8 OR 19 ? YOUR IMATURITY PRECEEDS YOU!

LOL, just as you knowledge on Saltwater is very noticable..
you have noting but insults and type yelling...
you are laughable, and no nothing, besides you had a few extra dollars, collected some cold water sanils, opened a pet store and thing you are
REEF CAPTIN #1

so i am immature, yet you are all upset typing in caps...


keep typing, the more you type, the more of a fool you make of yourself and your cold water snails..

but no.. try again on my age snapper!

[scubadude]

Addressed to : Thesnailman

Hi and welcome to reefland
We love to converse and debate over here but please dont take it personal, especially since your a newbie to our forum, saltjunkie has been with us for a while so I do know personally that he cares for the hobby and would do nothing to hurt his animals and is purely after the joy of the hobby, im sure you have the same intentions. I was just wandering what your view is on this snail do you also believe that it only fairs well in lower level temps of the reefs 75-78? This thread has shed new light on my eyes and has made me look at these snails from a different perspective....lets try and keep it that way educate the masses. Im definately not saying that you cant stand behind what you believe I just would love to hear more about your beliefs on this particular snail since your nick obviously states that you are a snailman

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by thesnailman

The reason your snails were dying was the hemits are preditors and were killing them and taking their shells and the notion that water temps in the 70 to 80 range was killing them is simply not true. i have kept these snails for ten years and i can tell you their one of the best on the market!

Hi, thesnailman, welcome to Reefland!

Wow, how did you find this old thread? It hadn't been posted to in 19 months. I doubt than the Ilyanassa obsoleta snails in baconbits' tank were being killed by his blue-leg hermits for their shells. I have observed other snails being killed for their shells but never any as small as your typical I. obsoleta. I have a lot of mature Nassarius vibex (which are slightly smaller than mature I. obsoleta) and none of my hermit crabs have ever chosen to live in Nassarius condos.

Just out of curiosity, what is a colossis? Is that similar to a colossus?

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by thesnailman

Yes I thought so! if your not doing at least 25% water changes every two weeks then your an amature and I need not say more!

If you don't do at least 25% water changes every two weeks then you're an amateur?

I know a lot of reefkeepers but I don't know any who do at least 25% water changes every two weeks. I know some who do 10-15% every two weeks, but most of them do 10-20% every four to six weeks or longer. And none of them are amateurs.

Wayne Shang, who is certainly not an amateur, does a 10% water change every six weeks using old water from his 300-gal fish-only tank. He takes water from his fish-only tank to put into his 718-gal reef tank every six weeks so that he can add some natural nitrate for his clams. That causes his nitrate in his reef tank to jump up to 2-3 ppm temporarily for a few days before it falls back down below 1 ppm. http://www.underseadiscovery.com/home.htm

P.S. -- Do you know a guy named Lonny who sells Ilyanassa obsoleta snails on eBay as snailsnthings? I believe he lives very near you.

[Samper]

What's a snail?

[saltjunkie]

Originally Posted by Samper

What's a snail?

a bent nail?

[lobophyllia]

you say people are amatuers if they dont change 25% of their water every two weeks. then you say that everyone who does need to change that much overfeeds. so now we are amatures if we dont overfeed?

[Reefland]

Originally Posted by lobophyllia

you say people are amatuers if they dont change 25% of their water every two weeks. then you say that everyone who does need to change that much overfeeds. so now we are amatures if we dont overfeed?

We're all noobs aren't we?

[saltjunkie]

i wish i knew how to do one of those fancy saltwater tanks...

[saltjunkie]

Originally Posted by lobophyllia

you say people are amatuers if they dont change 25% of their water every two weeks. then you say that everyone who does need to change that much overfeeds. so now we are amatures if we dont overfeed?

HEY, thats a clever signature!

[Poseidon]

Originally Posted by lobophyllia

you say people are amatuers if they dont change 25% of their water every two weeks. then you say that everyone who does need to change that much overfeeds. so now we are amatures if we dont overfeed?