[zhenya]

Hi All,

Just wanted to share couple of pics of the three frags I got today,two that I bought and one as a bonus which I did not know anything about untill I almost threw away the shipping box I hardly had room for those two frags that I bought but the third one kind of pushing it.I plan to remove some corals from my tank,mainly my Youngei that I think is heading for the hills after my latest light bulbs torture experiment and large monti cap colony.FWIW, I think my old Youngei stag will probably pull through and be fine but I felt that I should have another one handy
Anyway, I got a frag of A.tortuosa and A.youngei and a bonus A.cerealis.
Here's the pics.

[lovesalt]

Gene, very nice!! I love the purple color!!

Good luck with them.

[Poseidon]

Love that A. Tortuosa... I want one of those myself, but haven't ever seen one for sale around here!!!

[zhenya]

Thanks guys.
Mike, that A.tortuosa is all but 3/4" in length and was 75 bucks The demons finally got me and I decided that I have to have one I couldn't stand it anymore that Ninong had it in his tank and I didn't It's second day in my tank and I've seen polyps out on it last night but for some reason they are non existent during the daytime.
I also had recieved my new Ushio bulbs and changed over from CV 10K bulbs,they just did not work out for me at all.

[montepora]

Gene:

Good frags. Just an FYI, the tort would turn green if you place it high with the Ushio. The tort would remain blue if you leave it somewhere mid level in your tank with mid flow. I learn this from my own painful experience and my tort is once again blue and recovering from the tissue damage from excessive flow.

[zhenya]

Originally Posted by montepora

Gene:

Good frags. Just an FYI, the tort would turn green if you place it high with the Ushio. The tort would remain blue if you leave it somewhere mid level in your tank with mid flow. I learn this from my own painful experience and my tort is once again blue and recovering from the tissue damage from excessive flow.

Hi Andrew,

It is in the mid level in my tank and about 24" from the light and does not recieve direct flow but sort of random current from the PH's that are on the apposite sides of the tank and way higher then this particular frag.I'll keep an eye on it though,thanks for the heads up
here's the pic of where it is located,don't forget that my tank is only about 18" tall if you consider the DSB.

[Poseidon]

Originally Posted by zhenya

Thanks guys.
Mike, that A.tortuosa is all but 3/4" in length and was 75 bucks The demons finally got me and I decided that I have to have one I couldn't stand it anymore that Ninong had it in his tank and I didn't It's second day in my tank and I've seen polyps out on it last night but for some reason they are non existent during the daytime.
I also had recieved my new Ushio bulbs and changed over from CV 10K bulbs,they just did not work out for me at all.

OUCH!!!

$75.00 BUX that is quite the investment, hopefully it grows and GROWS and GROWS...

And I wish I didn't know you changed back to Ushio's... I just ordered my CV 10K's...

[Reefland]

I think our tort was $50 and it is now about 1.5" tall with 3 nice branches. Ours is directly under our Ushio 10k DE's about 7" from the surface and it has retained it's deep blueberry color from day 1.

[MtnDewMan]

Nice frags Gene ... You will enjoy those for sure.

Where did you get them if you don't mind saying?

[zhenya]

Originally Posted by MtnDewMan

Nice frags Gene ... You will enjoy those for sure.

Where did you get them if you don't mind saying?

Thanks,Chuck!

I got them at the fragstore.com Roy is the owner and seems like a nice guy to deal with

I hope they will do good in my tank.

Mike,

I noticed the same thing happening again with my corals and so I went back to the Ushios.

[montepora]

Gene:

To be honest with you??? I would lower it a bit more.

When I had the Ushio, I had my tort in about the same height as yours and the body started to turn green. I then lower it to the sand bed twoards the edge of the tank where the coral was not receiving direct light from the MH and it turned back to purple. I just recently switched to CV 12K and I raised it a bit higher since the tank is more blue than before.

Great frags but OUCH, $75??? LOL!!

BTW, seems like your caps are out of control.

[zhenya]

Originally Posted by montepora

Gene:

To be honest with you??? I would lower it a bit more.

When I had the Ushio, I had my tort in about the same height as yours and the body started to turn green. I then lower it to the sand bed twoards the edge of the tank where the coral was not receiving direct light from the MH and it turned back to purple. I just recently switched to CV 12K and I raised it a bit higher since the tank is more blue than before.

Great frags but OUCH, $75??? LOL!!

BTW, seems like your caps are out of control.

Andrew,

Thanks for the tips...I'll keep my eye on it and if I see changes in coloration I'll move it down.

yeah, those caps are rediculously fast growing and I don't understabd why people want to keep them in their tanks
BTW, 75.00 for a 3/4" frag is about as much as I will ever pay for a frag... It is all Ninong's fault, he got one and I couldn't stand to not have one as well

[montepora]

Gene:

yeah, keep you eye on it or you might get a green tort.

I am not sure what is going on with my tank now but my tort, aculeus, efflo and Bali powder blue stag are all showing damaged tips. Especially on those tips are are grown out recently. The tissue seems rip off showing whiite skeleton. I am not sure what is going on. I recently changed my bulbs from Ushio 10K to Sunburst 12K and CV 12K. I run them on PFO HQI ballast with 4 T5s. The tank is dimmer than before so I doubt is the light.
I actually have less flow because one of the maxijet 1200 drop dead on me so instead of 6 PHs? I have 5 now. The only other change is taht I used the Caribsea crushed corals as my CR media. Not sure what is going on, what do you think?????

[zhenya]

Originally Posted by montepora

Gene:

yeah, keep you eye on it or you might get a green tort.

I am not sure what is going on with my tank now but my tort, aculeus, efflo and Bali powder blue stag are all showing damaged tips. Especially on those tips are are grown out recently. The tissue seems rip off showing whiite skeleton. I am not sure what is going on. I recently changed my bulbs from Ushio 10K to Sunburst 12K and CV 12K. I run them on PFO HQI ballast with 4 T5s. The tank is dimmer than before so I doubt is the light.
I actually have less flow because one of the maxijet 1200 drop dead on me so instead of 6 PHs? I have 5 now. The only other change is taht I used the Caribsea crushed corals as my CR media. Not sure what is going on, what do you think?????

Hi Andrew,

Hard to say without looking at it...,I'm not sure if using crashed coral for the reactor media would affect your corals the way you describing.Lots of people use that for a media and reported no problems with it. How fast the damage is spreading or how quickly did you notice that?Overnight,few days? Was the damage occuring quite fast after you switched your bulbs?
FWIW, i don't think your flow decreased that much to affect corals this way,I'm thinking more of the lighting and maybe your other parameters? Especially Alk and Ca++.

Let me know how everything is progressing.OK?

[montepora]

Gene:

Just tested the CA and Alk via Salifert. The alk is 9.9 dKH and CA is around 440.

The tissue damage occures slowly over a few days. When I lower the Alk from 11.5 to 10 over the course of a week, the damage situation seemed slow down. I then made a 20% water change using the exact same salt I used for the past 10 years- Tropic Marine (OKOKOK, I used the Coral Life junk for a few months then swtiched back, I do have about 5 T shirts. )

This is strange indeed. I monitor the tank at night and have not see anything suspicious. This is driving my crazy!!!

[zhenya]

Originally Posted by montepora

Gene:

Just tested the CA and Alk via Salifert. The alk is 9.9 dKH and CA is around 440.

The tissue damage occures slowly over a few days. When I lower the Alk from 11.5 to 10 over the course of a week, the damage situation seemed slow down. I then made a 20% water change using the exact same salt I used for the past 10 years- Tropic Marine (OKOKOK, I used the Coral Life junk for a few months then swtiched back, I do have about 5 T shirts. )

This is strange indeed. I monitor the tank at night and have not see anything suspicious. This is driving my crazy!!!

Andrew,

I don't think it is a predatory acivity either. I mean why only growing tips and not somewhere else in the branch or colony? Maybe going from one salt to another had some adverse affect but it is hard to tell
I can see why it would drive you crazy, I had some partial bleaching/lightening of the corals and even some tissue damage when I had tried the CV 10K bulbs(from Ushios).I replaced my old Ushios with the new Ushios and did not do any acclimation at all and so far all I see is improvement. I see growth again and polyp extention during the day as well.
The moral of my story is that I won't be playing with the new bulbs anymore
You wouldn't have any pics of the damage by any chance? If you do, post them here,please.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by zhenya

I couldn't stand it anymore that Ninong had it in his tank and I didn't

Ha!! Ninong has TWO of them in his tank since his Scott's Fairy Wrasse swam into it and knocked off a 1/2" frag from the secondary branch. I mounted that tiny piece on a small piece of rock and it survived. And I only paid $65 for mine.

[zhenya]

Originally Posted by Ninong

Ha!! Ninong has TWO of them in his tank since his Scott's Fairy Wrasse swam into it and knocked off a 1/2" frag from the secondary branch. I mounted that tiny piece on a small piece of rock and it survived. And I only paid $65 for mine.

Oh sure, rub it in!

Has it shown any growth for you,George? I'm aware that this are notoriously slow growing corals,at least in captivity.Also, do you see any polyps during daytime or only at night? So far I only see them at night and they are gorgeous purple/blue in color but not overly large like A.chesterfieldensis,for example. Those look like a broom hanging out of the corallite

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by zhenya

Oh sure, rub it in!

Has it shown any growth for you,George? I'm aware that this are notoriously slow growing corals,at least in captivity.Also, do you see any polyps during daytime or only at night? So far I only see them at night and they are gorgeous purple/blue in color but not overly large like A.chesterfieldensis,for example. Those look like a broom hanging out of the corallite

I moved mine to a different spot after the accident. It took at least three weeks for it to even begin to show its polyps again. I don't remember how long it took after I first got it but I do know that it had all of its polyps out during the daytime in that previous location and now it is just showing polyps on the bottom half. I had very good polyp extension in the former location compared to the new location. I hate to risk moving it again. It seems very sensitive to changes in location.

As far as growth is concerned, it more than doubled in size but all of that growth took place in the former location.

[zhenya]

Originally Posted by Ninong

I moved mine to a different spot after the accident. It took at least three weeks for it to even begin to show its polyps again. I don't remember how long it took after I first got it but I do know that it had all of its polyps out during the daytime in that previous location and now it is just showing polyps on the bottom half. I had very good polyp extension in the former location compared to the new location. I hate to risk moving it again. It seems very sensitive to changes in location.

As far as growth is concerned, it more than doubled in size but all of that growth took place in the former location.

Yes, I remember that incident,George. I'm not moving this frag at all unless I see something negative happening at the present location,fwiw.
My thinking is that perhaps I don't see polyps during daytime is becouse it is very new and probably is still acclimating to the new environment.
Thanks for sharing your observation,by the way
The A.yongei that I recieved at the same time is already showing some new growth...amazing coral.