[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Juvv

the wrasse has been in there for around a month now, he is loving it!!!
why do u think he will not make it in this tank?

he only grows to about 4"

Wrasses are too active for that size tank.

[Juvv]

fair enough then what would you suggest for a tank this size then?


and why would you think that my anemone retracts when i turn teh light on?

[Reefland]

Juvv,

It's not just the size of the fish you have to consider, it is how active they are as well. The best example is a juvenile tang, which may only be 1.5 - 2". A fish this size would appear to be ok in a "2-ft Tank" however these fish swim very actively all day long, confining them in this tight area is stressful on the fish and unethical. So when you look at fish, look at their maximum adult size, natural behaviors, diets and compatibility with other fish.

Scott Z.

[Juvv]

yeah very true. thats why i dont have that active fish in the tank, i spose the only active one i actually have is the wrasse

dart fish just floats in the same spot all day, clown never leaves anemone heh.

oh well, i dunno wot else i woudl want to get

[Reefland]

With a "2-ft Tank", I suggest you not purchase anything else and consider removing some of what you already have.

Scott Z.

[Juvv]

yeah i was thinking about getting rid of my 2 chromis and adding soemthing else into there

[Juvv]

ok i got rid of the puffer

and ive got a gorneopora (if thats how u spell it) on order, so should be here on monday

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Juvv

ive got a gorneopora (if thats how u spell it) on order, so should be here on monday

Don't tell me you ordered a Goniopora? Did you research this coral's requirements and its chances of survival in a newly established tank? Or any tank for that matter?

[Poseidon]

Bummer- Beautiful Coral, but it is just like flushing $30.00-50.00 DOWN THE TOILET!!! All the "flower pots" are very difficult to keep. Gonipora is the WORST!

[Reefland]

If this order has not yet shipped, call and cancel it or make a request to change the coral. It simply will not survive.

[Juvv]

$30 - 50 , god thats expencive, i get mine for around $3.70 american for a small one, and no its not a typo .

I work for a company called effortless Aquaria, only been working there for around a month, anyway he have alot of Goniopora in nearly every one of our marine tanks that we look after and all of them are going fine.

im not saying you guys are wrong or anything, but if i look after like 10 diff ones at work, i think i can manage at home. as i have found in our reef farm , they seem to last better than most of our leathers and a few other types of coral.

[Ninong]

Goniopora is considered a difficult to keep species. Most specimens seem to do fine for as long as 18 months and then they suddenly decline. If I had to put a number on it, I would say that 95% or more of the specimens imported into the U.S. are dead within 24 months.

[Ninong]

I just checked the Aussie board and they seem to have the same general opinion of Goniopora: http://www.masa.asn.au/rtaw/showflat...true#Post61221

[Juvv]

Ahh yeah your right, seems strange they last for a few months THEN decide to die. And i suppose the reason they live ok in our tanks in australia is because they are from our reefs, so there not subdued to long periods of shipping etc. thats just a guess hehe. Oh well i should have it tomorrow after noon, ill have to put up some pics when it opens up! Thanks ninong!

Oh btw, my anemone still closes when i turn light on, any ideas why?

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Juvv

And i suppose the reason they live ok in our tanks in australia is because they are from our reefs,

I don't believe they do any better in Australian reef tanks than they do in Canadian, American, German or French reef tanks. If shipping stress were to blame for their demise, they wouldn't last 12 - 18 months. The problem is not shipping stress, the problem is lack of proper nutrition and appropriate environment.

The truth of the matter is that they are a very difficult to maintain species in reef tanks all over the world including Australia. A few specimens may survive longer than 24 months but most do not.

P.S. -- You do realize that all of the comments in the link that I provided are from Australian reefkeepers?

[Juvv]

Yeah i do

ninong , back to the anemone talking , i just put another 2ft 20W daylight neon over the tank to see how it goes for a while, my anemone still closed up when i tuned the lights on , and today i noticed this "smoke haze" coming out of the anemone for about 30 seconds or so. Is this just the process of it getting rid of wastes??


thanks

[Juvv]

and when i say it closed up, i mean that it kinda of shrunk a bit, and its tentacles shortened alot.

[Juvv]

gornero's in

http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~jacob/gorneopora.jpg

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Juvv

Yeah i do

ninong , back to the anemone talking , i just put another 2ft 20W daylight neon over the tank to see how it goes for a while, my anemone still closed up when i tuned the lights on , and today i noticed this "smoke haze" coming out of the anemone for about 30 seconds or so. Is this just the process of it getting rid of wastes??


thanks

Juvv,

It is truly unfortunate that you are working at an aquarium store http://www.effortlessaquaria.com.au/Index.htm that it is not giving you better guidance. Your chances of keeping the anemone alive in your newly-established tank are slim at best and I would be surprised if your Goniopora survives long-term. Neither of these animals should have been introduced into a newly set up 20-gal tank. This is where I fault the store that is irresponsibly selling these animals to you.

As I have told you before, your lighting is totally inadequate for the anemone. It is not even close. I believe Minh is correct in his identification. It appears to be a severely distressed Heteractis crispa. It has obviously expelled almost all of its zooxanthellae already and by the appearance of its tentacles -- short and stubby instead of their normal appearance -- it is on its way out. This could take a matter of months but the process at this point may be irreversible.

The "smoke haze" that you reported seeing being expelled from the anemone might be gametes because spawning is frequently induced by extreme stress. It is a final desperate act of preservation -- of the species, not the individual.

[Juvv]

my tank has been cycled for 4 months btw. still fairly new but not as new as you think it is (i think).


ive spoken to so many ppl , some say its fine some say its not. I suppose all im going to do is just sit it out for a few months and see how it goes. Right now its fully open under light , so maybe its settled in a bit more or something.

Anyway thanks ninong for you help, much appreciated.