[Dive_Master]

I just wanted to let everyone know that "NO-Ich Marine" or "Kick-Ich" how it is called now, more than likely does not work, since I used it three times in the last 5 years without any success.

I read some similar comments elsewhere, Well I am confirming it. It contains 5-Nitroimidazoles that supposedly worked in Asian Fish farms. I spoke with the "inventor" and he assured me that it works. Well, not for me. In additon it is very expensive.

I am feeding the fish with flakes soaked in garlic and does not work either. I read some old threads trying to get rid of it.

I brought it inj with a new fish that I did not quaranteed. I guess, I was lazy.

Any one has anything that can help me.

My tangs have it and they are not gettign better. It has been three weeks.

Thanks,

[Samper]

In order to completely get rid of it you are going to have to remove your fish and treat them with Cu in a seperate tank. I've had to do it and can personally guarantee that it works. Huge PITA though.

[Poseidon]

Yup seperate tank Copper treatment and Main display tank fallow (no fish) for 4-6 weeks,.. Real PITA but 100% effective.

[Samper]

You said it.

[Dive_Master]

Originally Posted by Samper

You said it.

I cannot catch the fish. I will need to take the whole tank apart.
So that is not a viable solution but thanks for the feedback anyway.

Is KENT garlic xtreme any good?

[Samper]

I've read good and bad reviews about every product out there except the copper. How long has your setup been up and running and what's in it? The only reason I ask is because yeah it seems like a huge pain and it is but if it's the only for sure way to fix it then..........?

I can think of some fairly reasonable ways to get the fish out if you don't find a solution to your problem.....might be the only way to save your little guys.

[Dive_Master]

Originally Posted by Samper

I've read good and bad reviews about every product out there except the copper. How long has your setup been up and running and what's in it? The only reason I ask is because yeah it seems like a huge pain and it is but if it's the only for sure way to fix it then..........?

I can think of some fairly reasonable ways to get the fish out if you don't find a solution to your problem.....might be the only way to save your little guys.

the tank has been up for years. there is no way to take the fish out without moving all the SPS and LPS corals, The rock is pretty much covered with coraline and it is fused together.

I cannot beleive that there is no product out there that is reef safe and kills the parasite

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Dive_Master

Any one has anything that can help me.

AFAIK there are no treatments that can be used in a reef tank that are consistently effective against ich. The best that you can do in a reef tank environment is to feed garlic and hope that it helps. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. I suggest that you either soak the food in garlic extract (Kyolic) for several minutes before feeding it to your fish or finely mince fresh garlic cloves and mix it into your fish food. Just keeping chopping it over and over and over again until it is extremely fine mush. Soak your fish food in about a quarter cup of tankwater and add about 1/4 tsp. of this minced garlic. Let it soak for about fifteen minutes and then dump it in the tank. I have never had ich but I have fed my fish this way just to see if they would actually eat the garlic. They did. Right now I am feeding the new recipe Formula Two flake food that includes 2% garlic.

Here is a post that I put up a few weeks ago with links to several articles on Cryptocaryon irritans: White Spot feedback Treatment options are covered in Part III of Terry B.'s series.

[Dive_Master]

Is Kent Garlic Xtreme good enough?

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Dive_Master

Is Kent Garlic Xtreme good enough?

Is it a garlic extract? I'm not really familiar with it but I found this description online:

Kent Marine Garlic Xtreme contains a powerful source of garlic that can serve many purposes in aquariums. Used as a food soak, Garlic Xtreme is a strong attractant, enticing finicky eaters to begin feeding sooner. Additionally, Garlic Xtreme may be used directly in aquarium if fish are not eating. Garlic Xtreme contains no artificial ingredients or steroids, and does not need to be refrigerated!

[zhenya]

Originally Posted by Ninong

Is it a garlic extract? I'm not really familiar with it but I found this description online:

Kent Marine Garlic Xtreme contains a powerful source of garlic that can serve many purposes in aquariums. Used as a food soak, Garlic Xtreme is a strong attractant, enticing finicky eaters to begin feeding sooner. Additionally, Garlic Xtreme may be used directly in aquarium if fish are not eating. Garlic Xtreme contains no artificial ingredients or steroids, and does not need to be refrigerated!

George,

I've found a bottle laying around so I'll add the ingredients as found printed on the bottle:
99% Allium Sativum Extract(Garlic Juice),Citric Acid and Ascorbic Acid(as preservatives).

Here's an abstract from the directions...
...use particularly if parasites are present or fish have visible wounds or infections.if fish are not eating,Garlic Xtreme may be also added to the aquarium at the rate of 1 drop per 10 gallons.

There isn't anything in particular pertaining to the marine Ich at all in the 'directions' or 'use and interactions' sections.
FWIW, I had used Kick Ich about 6 years ago when I first started and it did work, marginally. What I mean is that fish that were too far gone all died but some did live and the outbreak was over after I had finished the medication dosing. It took some days and close monitoring,removing all of the filtration media,like carbon and other adsorbing pads and what not. All in all, I wouldn't use it again.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by zhenya

George,

I've found a bottle laying around so I'll add the ingredients as found printed on the bottle:
99% Allium Sativum Extract(Garlic Juice),Citric Acid and Ascorbic Acid(as preservatives).

Here's an abstract from the directions...
...use particularly if parasites are present or fish have visible wounds or infections.if fish are not eating,Garlic Xtreme may be also added to the aquarium at the rate of 1 drop per 10 gallons.

OK, then it's garlic extract. Yes, I would try that and see if it helps. Apply several drops to your regular dry flake food and let it soak for several minutes with maybe a tablespoon of tankwater before feeding it to the fish. It it were me, I would also add some extremely finely mince fresh garlic, too. And I would probably feed the fish two or three times a day with garlic soaked food.

There isn't anything in particular pertaining to the marine Ich at all in the 'directions' or 'use and interactions' sections.

That doesn't mean anything. I didn't expect them to claim that it cures ich. (P.S. -- Actually there is something in particular pertaining to marine ich: use particularly if parasites are present )

[Dive_Master]

Thanks everyone for their help.

The fish are getting better. I hope and pray!!!! I am using the KENT garlic (feeding three times a day) and I am also using the KICH-ICH just to use it up since I paid $25 per bottle. I do not think it works very well. It is a waster of money.

My Maroon Clown pair never got the parasite, so I guess it is true that some fish are immune to it. I hope I did not speak too quickly.

Thanks everyone!

[Samper]

What species of fish are more vulnerable to the parasites guys? I heard a while back that clowns were one of the more vulnerable fish for the parasite. I think the reasoning behind it was a very small scale size and weak gills in comparison to some other hardy species of fish. Is this true?

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Samper

What species of fish are more vulnerable to the parasites guys? I heard a while back that clowns were one of the more vulnerable fish for the parasite. I think the reasoning behind it was a very small scale size and weak gills in comparison to some other hardy species of fish. Is this true?

From Terry B.'s ich article:


What fish are susceptible?
Cryptocaryon irritans has low host specificity (Burgess & Mathews, 1995). This means that it will infect almost any species of fish that is exposed to it, even those that are not native to a marine environment. Saltwater-adapted black mollies Poecilia latipinna were used as the subjects of one trial to establish the low host specificity of this parasite (Yoshinaga & Dickerson, 1994). Resistance becomes increasingly difficult as the population density of the parasite multiplies within an aquarium or system. Infection is more likely in aquariums than in the wild because of high stocking density, favoring the probability of the free-swimming theronts locating a host (Yambot, et al., 2003).

It is evident that different species of boney reef fish have varying degrees of resistance to Cryptocaryon irritans (Colorni & Burgess, 1997. Diggles & Lester, 1996c). In captivity, resistance may be more a matter of differences in the dietary and environmental needs between the various species of fish than any other factor. Species belonging to the angelfish, tang, butterfly, puffer and cowfish families are among those thought to be especially vulnerable to infection. Elasmobranches such as sharks and rayfish are considered to be naturally resistant (Lom, 1984). http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...2003/mini1.htm

[Samper]

Originally Posted by Ninong

Resistance becomes increasingly difficult as the population density of the parasite multiplies within an aquarium or system.

Thanks Ninong answered my question perfectly but the above exerpt got me to thinking. When you have just an aquarium set up it's just an aquarium....does it become a system when you have the whole shabang aka sump, refug etc?

[Ninong]

I don't know exactly how Terry uses the word "system," but I use it for virtually any aquarium because in my mind they are all miniature ecosystems. I don't think of it in terms of equipment.

[Samper]

Ok, thank you.