[Peterock]

Hello I was wondering what is the time frame to add new fish to a tank I have a 45 gallon tall and there's

1- yellow tang (put in yesterday)
2- Blue devil damsels
1- Velvet damsel
1- yellow tail damsel
1- percula clown

10- snails
12- crabs

I want to add the last addition of my tank which will be a dwarf lionfish and a bleeny or goby how long should i wait. The LPS doesn't have any at the moment but told him to call me when they come in maybe nextweek.

[scubadude]

Hey Peterock

There is probably a couple of reasons why others probably havent answered your question. The first and foremost reason would be this:

1- yellow tang (put in yesterday)

You will find that alot of people discourage tangs for the most part in tanks that are not 6' long, as they require plenty of swimming length and grow to very large sizes.

There is no data in your profile of your tank that includes how much LR you have, if any? Blenny's/Gobies require plenty of rock work to hide claim their territory, and with all the damsels in your tank it would easily be understood the aggression level that they may take to the blenny or gobie. I dont wanna rain on your parade, just wanted you to realize what others could be thinking. How big is the yellow tang? and do you plan on upgrading to a bigger tank in the future?

[kevinpo]

IMO your tank is already quite full. I think you're asking for trouble if you add any more fish.

Regards,
Kevin

[Spick]

Originally Posted by Peterock

Hello I was wondering what is the time frame to add new fish to a tank I have a 45 gallon tall and there's

1- yellow tang (put in yesterday)
2- Blue devil damsels
1- Velvet damsel
1- yellow tail damsel
1- percula clown

10- snails
12- crabs

I want to add the last addition of my tank which will be a dwarf lionfish and a bleeny or goby how long should i wait. The LPS doesn't have any at the moment but told him to call me when they come in maybe nextweek.

Having a 45G tall tank, makes it worse for having the Tang in, Tnags needs long tanks for tehy are active swimmers. Also you have 4 damsel, I cna only imagine the level of aggression there is on your tank even though you may not notice it now, if you were to remove your damsels you would definitely notice a change in harmony. Having a 45G it seems you are at your MAX llevel of fish. If you would like to add the two remaining fish you mentioned, my bet is to remove all four damsels to make room for the two newbies! Don't meaqn to be too negative about it, but simply feel you need to know, as others have posted already! Let us know what you decide! cheers...

[Peterock]

Thanks for the info I was thinking of taking out the damsels anyway because I saw one of the blue ones chasing the other damsels. And the tang is finally out swimming around grazing on the live rocks. the nemo is up at the top of the tank floating in one spot looking happy.

[Reefland]

Those Damsels, more often that not, are little hellions that I would avoid. As others have mentioned you are currently pushing the fish limit and any additions at this point could be problematic. Removing the Damsels would be helpful on your load but wouldn't really provide a better opportunity for more fish; the tang is limiting you there.

[Peterock]

So basically looking at it the tang and the damsels is whats holding up everything. Please look at my picture gallery at the fish tank with fish 2 and see what i am talking about with the room that i have...

[Reefland]

Hi Pete,

I know it appears that there is a lot of free room but Tangs require a lot of open swimming space in their optimal environment. A lot of people say that a 4' long, 75gallon aquarium is the absolute bare minimum for a Yellow Tang, others say much larger. I wouldn't personally attempt to keep one in anything less than a 75.

The Damsels you have are very aggressive fish and I would definitely consider removing them. If you are absolutely deadset on the tang then maybe you could remove the Damsels and add another clown to try and pair them.

[samsreef]

I have a 190l reef tank (around 55 us gallons) and only have 4 fish in it, I consider it my maximum, this is because one of those fish is a purple tang.

I wouldn't dream of adding any more fish as I could see problems with aggresion, my purple tang already has the tendency of chasing my bicolor angel away if it swims to close to it.

I think you will need to upgrade in future (as will I).

[Spick]

Originally Posted by Peterock

So basically looking at it the tang and the damsels is whats holding up everything. Please look at my picture gallery at the fish tank with fish 2 and see what i am talking about with the room that i have...

Yes yuor damsels should definitely come OUT. especially if you are going to keep the tang. I also have a small tank and keep a Yellow tang, i know its too small for him but hes a mini tang, as he grows he will for sure out ghrow my tank but by then i'll have my big tank. as for your gallery. It seems you lack in lbs of LR. How many pounds do you have of live rock? It seems like you could use a little mroe for sure.

[Peterock]

I have about 40-45 lbs.

[Spick]

You should definitely consider getting anywhere from 20-30 more lbs. FOr many reasons...

[Peterock]

Why do i need more LR, I think that it will be hard to do now because of the fish that in the tank unless I can find some absolutly cured rock to use.

[Spick]

well the rule of thumb is, 1.5 to 2 x the size of your tank of LR. A good starting amount of LR is what you have. There have been excellent threads about amount of LR and reasons why. I'll look for some.

[Spick]

here you go try... this thread, it has many ppl's opinions...and reasons

How much live Rock???

[Peterock]

Thanks for that info I think that i am going to add another 10-15 lbs of live rock but that is going to be it! 1st question: What portion of live rock can i add to my tank that is fully cylcled and has fish in there to keep from hurting things and making things bad for me?

Today I was obsereving my tank and found a few of my mushroom crabs were missing so I started the hunt. I noticed that one of my turbo snails was crawling over it under some base rock that was on the bottom of the tank. I started to move things around in the tank to get the mushroom out and place him back on the rocks and noticed that i completly dismantled the old aquascape that i had set up. As i was rebuilding things there was a lot of debri falling off and floating around. My question is where did all that debri come from and will that hurt my fish that's in the tank?

If I get rid of all 4 damsels and even the tang what are some fish that I can put in the tank with the clown that will make a perfect fit since I dont want no more that maybe 7 fish in the tank?

[Spick]

Originally Posted by Peterock

Thanks for that info I think that i am going to add another 10-15 lbs of live rock but that is going to be it! 1st question: What portion of live rock can i add to my tank that is fully cylcled and has fish in there to keep from hurting things and making things bad for me?

You may add any LR aslong as it is cured. your best bet at this point is to buy fully cured LR.

Originally Posted by Peterock

Today I was obsereving my tank and found a few of my mushroom crabs were missing so I started the hunt. I noticed that one of my turbo snails was crawling over it under some base rock that was on the bottom of the tank. I started to move things around in the tank to get the mushroom out and place him back on the rocks and noticed that i completly dismantled the old aquascape that i had set up. As i was rebuilding things there was a lot of debri falling off and floating around. My question is where did all that debri come from and will that hurt my fish that's in the tank?

This debri you speak of is simply detrisus, atleast it sounds like it, its just **** that sits around and decomposes and never gets moved cause theres no current. its actually good that it all got stirred up and will now get filtered out. No it will not harm your fish. Don't be shy to cloud your water if you ever need to, it's okay if your water gets cloudy for little periods, it's when your water is constantly clouidy that its bad for fish and corals.

Originally Posted by Peterock

If I get rid of all 4 damsels and even the tang what are some fish that I can put in the tank with the clown that will make a perfect fit since I dont want no more that maybe 7 fish in the tank?

Well thats tough to say. You'lll have to see what fish you like and see if they are compatible in a chart here's a link for a compatability chart. But taking out the damsels is a great idea!

http://www.liveaquaria.com/general/c...lity_chart.cfm

hope this helps you! good luck

[Peterock]

Thanks that chart is outstanding I need that, I have figured out what type of tank I am going to have and started making additions to my goal today. I have decided to go with as far as Corals go 75% mushrooms, 10% xenias, 10% polyps, 5% brains. I am looking for all different color mushrooms if anyone has strange color variations please send pictures and pm me if willing to sell frags. I have

2-blue striped
1-red
6-speckaled
9-brown with yellow streaks

Also added my first of 3 brains today this one has light pink center fading to green and light blue streaks at the tips. Pictures will be posted this week after camera gets fixed.

[Spick]

Originally Posted by Peterock

Thanks that chart is outstanding I need that, I have figured out what type of tank I am going to have and started making additions to my goal today. I have decided to go with as far as Corals go 75% mushrooms, 10% xenias, 10% polyps, 5% brains. I am looking for all different color mushrooms if anyone has strange color variations please send pictures and pm me if willing to sell frags. I have

2-blue striped
1-red
6-speckaled
9-brown with yellow streaks

Also added my first of 3 brains today this one has light pink center fading to green and light blue streaks at the tips. Pictures will be posted this week after camera gets fixed.

Sounds great!! Glad i could help!

[naser]

not to debate or anything but i had a scopus tang and a blue tang in my 55 gallon years and years ago. i think it was 4 feet by 13 inches. real small. tangs did great. got my 130 and added a powder blue tang and they love each other. now my tank is 6 by 18 so its much bigger. but i never had a problem with my tangs being healthy or happy back then. i know theres alot os talk on the net. i choose not to follow much of it being a outcast. people came over to my hosue for frags or what not and were amazed that i had rio's as my main returns. i go with the replace them cause there cheap rule also.