[prow]

hey everyone, first, let me tell you that everyone has been a big help, this has turely been a group effort.i would like to thank all for there input on my previous lists(there have been a few). Thanks again everyone.

ok that being said while making this list i have prioritized my concerns:
first-aggression (dont want any)
second-care (food, sandbed ect..)
last-bioload;(by meeting the other concerns i hope this takes care of itself)
however this is the reason i reduced my creatures cleannig crew)

the attachment has my(hopefully) final fish list with pics of each fish and a creature list as well. my tank and system info is also in the attachment along with the stages i intend to introduce them into the system. while looking it over please keep in mind my prioity list of concerns as this is what i use to guide me. please let me know what you think. any issues you see that might be a problem. once again thanks everyone for all your help.

[scubadude]

Originally Posted by prow

second-care (food, sandbed ect..)

This is probably one of the main ones that worries, albeit your list is very thorough and I can see you have spent some time on it. My first thoughts are ditch the blood shrimp. Next thought was the damsels, how bout trying to get credit from LFS for them? I get the impression you dont want them since they are in your sump...just a thought though I do think your bioload is a bit heavy. All of group 1 will probably prey on the life of your LR, and SB thus they should if any added be last in group three. Group 2 is what I would add first to your tank....but I would either ditch the blue tang or get a much smaller one if he was a high priority. Regal angel? heh...they are pretty arent they, but I do hope you would be upgrading to a bigger tank if you plan on keeping most of all 3 groups especially fish like this. This is JMO but thats alot of fish even though that is a fairly good size tank I think your pushing the limits a bit

[prow]

ok here is the info that is in the attachment. hope this gets more feedback.

I have a 72x18x20H tank about 150lbs of live rock with ½” sandbed. 45 gal sump with 30lbs of miracle mud and caulerpa. A sedra 1200gph and 586gph pump for the returm. Total circulating water 140gal. currently have 5 damsels in the sump. Will run like this for 3mo. Then add half the crabs and snails. (Creature list below ). Run with these for additional 3mo. Then add rest of creatures except fire shrimp. Run with these for 1-2mo. Add fire shrimp. Run for 2wk then star to add first group of fish. Approx 8mo. tank running before first group goes in tank. damsels out. then add each group 1-2mo. Apart.

Group #1

1-green clown goby (gobioudon atrangulatrus)………………...1”
1-yellow clown goby (gobioudon okiwawee)…………………..1”
1-lineatus fairy wrasse (cirrhilabrus lineatus)…………………..4”
1-Red Parrot Fairy Wrasse (Cirrhilabrus rubriventralis)………………...3”

Group#2

2- false percula clown (amphiprion ocellaris) …………………………4”
1-flameback angel brazilian (centopyge aurantonus)……………3”
1-blue hippon tang (paracanthurus hepatus)……….…………….8-9”


Group#3

1-regal angel (pygoplites diacanthus )…………………………………….10”
1-mandrine goby (synchiropus splendidus)……………………...4”
1-orcid dottyback (fridmani pseudochromis)…………………….4”


CREATURES:



5-blood red fire shrimp (lysmata amboinensis)
1-electric blue hermit crab (calcinus elegans)
2-emerald matrix crab (mithrax sculptus)
10-zebra hermit crabs (calcinus laevimanus)
15-red legged mex. hermit crab (clibanarius digueti)
1-red flame serpent starfish (ophioderma rubicundum)
1-tiger serpent starfish (ophiolepsis superba)
15-nassarius snail (nassarius vibex)
25-turbo snails (turbo fluctuosa)


ok anyone see any issue i might need to think about. or any comments at all. bad or good.

[prow]

hey thanks for the reply. i am picking apart your reply a bit. not because i want to argue but because i have real question/concerns.

"My first thoughts are ditch the blood shrimp."

*actually i already decided that. going with 1 fire shrimp and add a cleaner shrimp

"Next thought was the damsels, how bout trying to get credit from LFS for them? I get the impression you dont want them since they are in your sump...just a thought though "

*your impression was right. and that is the plan. just did not say it.

I do think your bioload is a bit heavy.

"All of group 1 will probably prey on the life of your LR, and SB thus they should if any added be last in group three. "

*i did not know the clown gobies would have an effect like that on my rock. what do they prey on?
*i put the wrasse in the first group because of the orcid dottyback i wanted them to be well adjusted before adding the orcid. do you think there will be a problem if i add the wrasse with the orchid?

"Group 2 is what I would add first to your tank....but I would either ditch the blue tang or get a much smaller one if he was a high priority."

*the sizes indicated were my estimated adult size. from my understanding the blue tang growth gets stunted in captivity so i thought 9" might be hos adult size. i do plan on getting all of them tiny as possible. the blue i think needs to be bought at 5" for a good chance at survival.is my thinking right here??

"Regal angel? heh...they are pretty arent they, but I do hope you would be upgrading to a bigger tank if you plan on keeping most of all 3 groups especially fish like this. This is JMO but thats alot of fish even though that is a fairly good size tank I think your pushing the limits a bit"

*yes very beautiful fish. he is my favorite. i am willing to not get any xenia and acropora type corals just to keep him.if that becomes necessary. F.Y.I. i try build my rock so there are really big tunnels and arches for them to swim through. corals and fish are equal to me so my coral load will be less than most. do you think this will help. i also decreased my crabs and other creatures lot.

*i know the bio load is right at the limit. do you think it is just below the limit or just above or at the limit??

sorry for buggin you so much but there is no one else to bug yet

[scubadude]

blood shrimp im more concerned with than the clown goby, even if its just one blood shrimp. They are well known for the devastation of microfauna in a tank.

the sizes indicated were my estimated adult size

I gotcha, which is better but I do still think you are looking @ bioload issues.

I think you should make a list of ALL the fish/corals/inverts etc. you want and prioritize them according to how bad you want them....not in groups though prioritize them as one big group having the most wanted living inhabitant at the top of the list. Study as much as you can about the highest prioritized species and build from that.

F.Y.I. i try build my rock so there are really big tunnels and arches for them to swim through. corals and fish are equal to me so my coral load will be less than most. do you think this will help. i also decreased my crabs and other creatures lot.

Sure making creative aquascape will help alot...what concerns me is you have large fish that need lots of swimming room, and you have a good amount of fish that require lots of LR in your tank, thus the catch 22 ....swimming space vs amount of LR appears to be a big. Your bioload also doesnt go into detail on your corals either....Corals are bioload too. I realize your ready to sacrifice Xenia and Acros but theres a pretty large playing field still left.

know the bio load is right at the limit. do you think it is just below the limit or just above or at the limit??

IMO the most important ques. you have asked....and I believe that you are above the limit. Keep working on it though you will get there.....Might I suggest a couple really good books like Corals by Eric Borneman and maybe a book like Scott Michaels on marine fish if you dont have them already.

[prow]

[quote=scubadude]blood shrimp im more concerned with than the clown goby, even if its just one blood shrimp. They are well known for the devastation of microfauna in a tank.

aaaaahhhhhhhhh now i know what is the problem in my 20gal.there is a blood shrimp in there. ok his out. would a cleaner shrimp have the same devastion.


"I think you should make a list of ALL the fish/corals/inverts etc. "

*this is everything but the corals just started to work on that. i only put them in group because i had 2 pygme angel at first and different tangs so didnt want a bunch of post telling me to put them togather.

"I realize your ready to sacrifice Xenia and Acros but theres a pretty large playing field still left."

*yes there is and i am not a big fan of those type corals anyway.

*dont know those books but will have a look see, always looking to increase my my book collection. thanks

hey one quick question then i will stop bugging you for a while(tell i get my coral list togather) i like the little clown gobies but never really include them in my thinking because they are so small and hang in the rock. would it really make that much of differance on my bio load if scratched them off the list.