pared perculas and sebea anenome

farewellnite · 06-30-2005, 10:51 PM

my cousin recently gave me her pare of percula clowns who hosted a bubble tip anenome that died while her tank was failing. ive given them time to adjust to the tank and seem pretty happy. Today i baught a sebea anenome. i was wondering if they would take to a differnt type of anenome, since they used to host a bubble tip... they seem semi interested in it..... there kinda hyper since i put the anenome in ... their darting around the tank and coming close to the anenome and than turn away.... any comments would help , thanks

***zhenya*** · 06-30-2005, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farewellnite

my cousin recently gave me her pare of percula clowns who hosted a bubble tip anenome that died while her tank was failing. ive given them time to adjust to the tank and seem pretty happy. Today i baught a sebea anenome. i was wondering if they would take to a differnt type of anenome, since they used to host a bubble tip... they seem semi interested in it..... there kinda hyper since i put the anenome in ... their darting around the tank and coming close to the anenome and than turn away.... any comments would help , thanks

Hi farewellnite,

A.percula should accept H.crispa as a host becouse they are one of the clownfishes found associated with this particular species of host anemones, providing that this is exactly what you have. Are you sure of the identification of the anemone and/or fish?
http://biodiversity.uno.edu/ebooks/ch1.html#crispa

In any case, give them some more time and I am sure that they will accept it.

farewellnite · 07-01-2005, 12:35 AM

my sebae anenome is white with purple tips ... ive heard that this could mean it an unhealthy sebae.. if thats true is there anything i can do to bring it back to health?

heres a picture of it

**Ninong** · 07-01-2005, 02:20 AM

Unfortunately, one problem that you will have is that your tank is really too small for this anemone. Assuming it survives, it will quickly outgrow a 10-gal tank.

farewellnite · 07-01-2005, 02:24 AM

acutally ive upgraded my tank to a 30 gallon these days .... sorry i havent posted in a while, ill have to change my info..... plus im not really worried about it out growing the tank because we have a lot of tank in the house so i could just switch over to my brother 55 gallon if it gets alittle big .. thanks for the comment tho =-)

***zhenya*** · 07-01-2005, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farewellnite

my sebae anenome is white with purple tips ... ive heard that this could mean it an unhealthy sebae.. if thats true is there anything i can do to bring it back to health?

heres a picture of it

Hi,

Well, it is quite common for this particular species to bleach during shipping and handling. Most every H.crispa I come accross in the LFS are bleached and look exactly like yours. Very important part in the care for this animal would be feeding at this point, probably the most important part untill it regains it's lost zooxanthellae.
If it is attached at this point, I would try to feed it as soon as possible.
I had very good success in bringing mine with silversides, you can try with smaller chunks. Simply cut up one good sized silverside into 1/4" pieces and place pieces onto the tentacles. If you have any ornamental shrimps or crabs, it would be a good thing if you could remove them for a while.

**Ninong** · 07-01-2005, 11:18 AM

If your clownfish are True Perculas (Amphiprion percula), they will probably accept your Sebae anemone (Heteractis crispa) as a host. If they are False Perculas (A. ocellaris) they may not. There are always exceptions, which is why it is difficult to predict with any certainty.

Your previous BTA anemone (Entacmaea quadricolor) is not a natural host for either A. percula or A. ocellaris, although A. ocellaris will usually accept it in captivity. A. percula will sometimes accept a BTA in captivity but that is the exception rather than the norm.

farewellnite · 07-01-2005, 03:12 PM

i think they are slowly accepting it i woke up today and looked at the tank with the light off and they were swimming all around it , really close . and i think i seen the female dive in for a seconded then dove out really quick.. the anenome is looking good today. man it really opened up ... it pretty damn big =-)
..... im pretty sure they are true perculas but not 100% sure... heres a pic i dont know if your able to tell or not

***Reefland*** · 07-01-2005, 03:23 PM

From the picture and coloration, I would say A. ocellaris.

farewellnite · 07-01-2005, 03:26 PM

today they are swimming much closer to the anenome and i possibly seen one dive in for a second... is it common for clown fish to slowly take on their host anenome?

**Ninong** · 07-01-2005, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farewellnite

... is it common for clown fish to slowly take on their host anenome?

Yes, that's quite common. Sometimes it takes weeks for them to accept the new anemone.

I'm not 100% sure but I tend to agree with you that your clownfish are Amphiprion percula. The black margins on the white bands seem much stronger than what one typically sees on A. ocellaris. Do you have any other pictures? A clear, in focus, closeup of a fully extended dorsal fin would be a big help in identification but that's easier said than done.

farewellnite · 07-01-2005, 03:45 PM

ill try to snap a few more shots of the clowns.. ive got a nice digtal camera but i dont know u all get such good pictures... i dont know what setting to use or flash or no flash .... i dont know... any quick tips?

p.s. i squirted the anenome with some brine shrimp and hes eating em up right now =-)

**Ninong** · 07-01-2005, 04:03 PM

You have to ask Poseidon or Zhenya about digital photography.

farewellnite · 07-01-2005, 04:15 PM

i got another picture that might help.... let me know

thats the female

**Ninong** · 07-01-2005, 04:41 PM

That picture only confused matters further because in that picture they look slightly more like Ocellaris clowns.

farewellnite · 07-02-2005, 01:09 AM

there colors are so bright because they were close to the glass and i used a flash .... hmmm i wish i knew how to get a good pic =-P

SurfStone · 07-02-2005, 03:07 AM

that is normal clownfish behavior they are just getting used to the nematocyst( stinging cells of the anemone) the are basically acclimating themselves to it. It can take anyware from a couple of days to weeks before they fully stay in the anemone even if they are used to the anemones stings and they are removed from the tank for what ever reason they have to re acclimate to the tentacles. Just because one anemone is not a clown fishes natural host does not mean that it will not go to it. it is liek a hit and miss deal. more than often they will accept it. some anemones should not be used to host clown fish however such as haitian anemones.but anyways, you are witnessing natural clownbehavior.

ldrhawke · 07-02-2005, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farewellnite

my cousin recently gave me her pare of percula clowns who hosted a bubble tip anenome that died while her tank was failing. ive given them time to adjust to the tank and seem pretty happy. Today i baught a sebea anenome. i was wondering if they would take to a differnt type of anenome, since they used to host a bubble tip... they seem semi interested in it..... there kinda hyper since i put the anenome in ... their darting around the tank and coming close to the anenome and than turn away.... any comments would help , thanks

Just keep them fat and happy.....it takes time sometimes. I had these over a year before they decided to breed. They lay eggs every month, but it is in a community tank and they have no chance of surviving.

farewellnite · 07-03-2005, 04:13 PM

I've tried this clown fish and anenome thing once before in my other tank with a maroon clown which didnt work at all .... this time these clowns are showing much more intrest in the anenome .... when i go to turn the lights on in the morning they are usally swimming right over it... it seems they dont like it when i watch em =-)

I've been watching them now for a while with the lights and they are defiantly testing out the anenome... once in a while they swim to the side of it and rub up on a few of the tenticles for a few seconds. and no matter where they swim in the tank they always meet back up in front of the anenome ... hopefully they are taking to it. if they do i will post pics =-)

after feed an anenome is it normal for them to shrivle up for a bit?

farewellnite · 07-04-2005, 06:06 PM

the clown fish have taken to the anenome! =-)
now i just have to keep the anenome healthy, any tips?
dont clown fish help keep an anenome healthy?

06-30-2005, 10:51 PM	#1
farewellnite Tenant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 73	pared perculas and sebea anenome my cousin recently gave me her pare of percula clowns who hosted a bubble tip anenome that died while her tank was failing. ive given them time to adjust to the tank and seem pretty happy. Today i baught a sebea anenome. i was wondering if they would take to a differnt type of anenome, since they used to host a bubble tip... they seem semi interested in it..... there kinda hyper since i put the anenome in ... their darting around the tank and coming close to the anenome and than turn away.... any comments would help , thanks

07-01-2005, 12:35 AM	#3
farewellnite Tenant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 73	my sebae anenome is white with purple tips ... ive heard that this could mean it an unhealthy sebae.. if thats true is there anything i can do to bring it back to health? heres a picture of it Last edited by farewellnite; 07-01-2005 at 02:22 AM.

07-01-2005, 02:20 AM	#4
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 20,691	Unfortunately, one problem that you will have is that your tank is really too small for this anemone. Assuming it survives, it will quickly outgrow a 10-gal tank. __________________ Ninong

07-01-2005, 11:18 AM	#7
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 20,691	If your clownfish are True Perculas (Amphiprion percula), they will probably accept your Sebae anemone (Heteractis crispa) as a host. If they are False Perculas (A. ocellaris) they may not. There are always exceptions, which is why it is difficult to predict with any certainty. Your previous BTA anemone (Entacmaea quadricolor) is not a natural host for either A. percula or A. ocellaris, although A. ocellaris will usually accept it in captivity. A. percula will sometimes accept a BTA in captivity but that is the exception rather than the norm. __________________ Ninong

07-01-2005, 03:23 PM	#9
*Reefland* Owner Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: Bardstown, KY Posts: 13,161	From the picture and coloration, I would say A. ocellaris. __________________ Scott Z. 75 Gallon Reef Log Powered by Reefland's Personal Online Aquarium Log

07-01-2005, 02:24 AM	#5
farewellnite Tenant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 73	acutally ive upgraded my tank to a 30 gallon these days .... sorry i havent posted in a while, ill have to change my info..... plus im not really worried about it out growing the tank because we have a lot of tank in the house so i could just switch over to my brother 55 gallon if it gets alittle big .. thanks for the comment tho =-)

07-01-2005, 03:12 PM	#8
farewellnite Tenant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 73	i think they are slowly accepting it i woke up today and looked at the tank with the light off and they were swimming all around it , really close . and i think i seen the female dive in for a seconded then dove out really quick.. the anenome is looking good today. man it really opened up ... it pretty damn big =-) ..... im pretty sure they are true perculas but not 100% sure... heres a pic i dont know if your able to tell or not

07-01-2005, 03:26 PM	#10
farewellnite Tenant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 73	today they are swimming much closer to the anenome and i possibly seen one dive in for a second... is it common for clown fish to slowly take on their host anenome?

07-01-2005, 03:45 PM	#12
farewellnite Tenant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 73	ill try to snap a few more shots of the clowns.. ive got a nice digtal camera but i dont know u all get such good pictures... i dont know what setting to use or flash or no flash .... i dont know... any quick tips? p.s. i squirted the anenome with some brine shrimp and hes eating em up right now =-)

07-01-2005, 04:03 PM	#13
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 20,691	You have to ask Poseidon or Zhenya about digital photography. __________________ Ninong

07-01-2005, 04:15 PM	#14
farewellnite Tenant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 73	i got another picture that might help.... let me know thats the female

07-01-2005, 04:41 PM	#15
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 20,691	That picture only confused matters further because in that picture they look slightly more like Ocellaris clowns. __________________ Ninong

07-02-2005, 01:09 AM	#16
farewellnite Tenant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 73	there colors are so bright because they were close to the glass and i used a flash .... hmmm i wish i knew how to get a good pic =-P

07-02-2005, 03:07 AM	#17
SurfStone Tenant Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lakeland, Florida Posts: 58	that is normal clownfish behavior they are just getting used to the nematocyst( stinging cells of the anemone) the are basically acclimating themselves to it. It can take anyware from a couple of days to weeks before they fully stay in the anemone even if they are used to the anemones stings and they are removed from the tank for what ever reason they have to re acclimate to the tentacles. Just because one anemone is not a clown fishes natural host does not mean that it will not go to it. it is liek a hit and miss deal. more than often they will accept it. some anemones should not be used to host clown fish however such as haitian anemones.but anyways, you are witnessing natural clownbehavior.

07-03-2005, 04:13 PM	#19
farewellnite Tenant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 73	I've tried this clown fish and anenome thing once before in my other tank with a maroon clown which didnt work at all .... this time these clowns are showing much more intrest in the anenome .... when i go to turn the lights on in the morning they are usally swimming right over it... it seems they dont like it when i watch em =-) I've been watching them now for a while with the lights and they are defiantly testing out the anenome... once in a while they swim to the side of it and rub up on a few of the tenticles for a few seconds. and no matter where they swim in the tank they always meet back up in front of the anenome ... hopefully they are taking to it. if they do i will post pics =-) after feed an anenome is it normal for them to shrivle up for a bit? Last edited by farewellnite; 07-03-2005 at 06:30 PM.

07-04-2005, 06:06 PM	#20
farewellnite Tenant Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: IL Posts: 73	the clown fish have taken to the anenome! =-) now i just have to keep the anenome healthy, any tips? dont clown fish help keep an anenome healthy?

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