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******** LFS should be shot...
Or maybe I should! I just bought a Labroides dimidiatus (cleaner wrasse) without properly researching what the poor little guy needs to eat.
 (That's what I get for taking my wife because she wants to replace the losses from the little accident that we had recently.) If my research is correct this species is going to slowly starve to death in my otherwise reasonably healthy tank. Maybe I should just go out and shoot myself.
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i think it is possible to keep some of them alive, im sure some people have but only a few of them do ever survive.
make sure you read read read and im sure you will come across a page that might give you soem good advice!! good luck, james
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Don't be too hard on yourself, just remember to research next time. Think of it this way, the fish will most likely die anyways, atleast it will have a better life in your tank rather than the LFS's.
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That's point, but it seems so ridiculous that an otherwise decent LFS stocks fish that would obiviously be better off left in the blasted ocean. I also need an appropriate set of ear plugs for when she's in "new fish NOW" mode!
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It is unfortunate mistake, and I must admit that many folks had made it, better luck next time and leave wife at home as you suggested.  Regarding those species of wrasse, I see them almost every time I go to the LFS. Sadly, I;ve been told that they never order any of them and they just come in as a fill-in item. I told them to drop the supplier if they keep on sending those unfortunate fishes.
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Bummer Marc... Remember "just say no..." Oh wait, that waas here in the states, and it was referring to drugs...
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I just ran a search for my own posts on this species and came up with this. You might want to read what has already been posted. I hate to repeat everything all over again. I think I have pretty much covered all the bases in those 12 posts. P.S. -- I almost always use the scientific name for an animal when I post, so running a search under the scientific name is the way to go in my opinion. That's the way I run all of my internet searches, too.
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Alas, poor Nemo...
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Cheers all. I broke my cardinal "research first" rule today. Actually, I hadn't really considered them until the LFS guy suggested them... and the wife went "Oooooooo". The rest is history. She's now apologising (well, almost) and I'm this "" close to reporting the LFS to our trading standards people for knowingly selling livestock that they know we (hobbyists) cannot adequately care for.
I'm not sure how UK law caters for this, but it's worth a stab. (Presumably my LFS guy listens to Nick Dakin, eh, Ninong?) Sorry. I can't manage smile. I hate myself for screwing up again.
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That's odd. Let me try it again and see what happens this time. Click here!
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The new link seems to working. At least it's working right now but so was the first link when I tested it right after posting it.
It should display the search results for "Labroides dimidiatus" using "Ninong" as the poster and display the following results: Welcome, Ninong. You last visited: Today at 06:41 PM  Reefland's Forum > Search Forums  Search Results Search Forums Advanced Search Quick LinksToday's PostsMark Forums ReadOpen Buddy ListUser Control PanelEdit SignatureEdit AvatarEdit ProfileEdit OptionsMiscellaneousPrivate MessagesSubscribed ThreadsMy ProfileWho's Online Active TopicsNew PostsTodays ThreadsUnanswered Threads Support Reefland.comContributing Member Go to Page... Showing results 1 to 13 of 13 Search took 0.48 seconds; generated 1 minute(s) ago. Search: Key Word(s): Labroides, dimidiatus ; Posts Made By: Ninong Forum: Reef Aquariums  Today, 06:31 PM Replies: 9  ******** LFS should be shot... Views: 32 Posted By Ninong Always use the search engine right here on... Always use the search engine right here on Reefland. You might be surprised what you will find. I just ran a search for my own posts on this species and came up with this... Forum: Reef Aquariums  01-22-2006, 09:58 PM Replies: 12  cleaner wrasse? Views: 253 Posted By Ninong Leaving aside the ethical question of whether... Leaving aside the ethical question of whether they should be collected and addressing only the question of whether Labroides dimidiatus will survive in captivity, I think the chances that it will... Forum: Reef Aquariums 05-22-2004, 12:23 PM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong Here is what OFI has to say on this subject: A... Here is what OFI has to say on this subject: A recent study which analysed the causal link between cleaner fish presence/absence and reef fish diversity at Ras Mohammed, Egypt, demonstrated that... Forum: Reef Aquariums 05-21-2004, 07:46 PM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong Ok, I've looked up the dimidiatus. Would this... Ok, I've looked up the dimidiatus. Would this thread also apply to other wrasses such as the 6 line? Are there any other types of wrasses that are good cleaners besides the dimidiatus? All six... Forum: Reef Aquariums 04-23-2004, 07:16 AM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong Labroides dimidiatus is the common cleaner... Labroides dimidiatus is the common cleaner wrasse, sometimes called the bluestreak cleaner wrasse. It is very widespread. Acanthurus japonicus has been one of my favorites ever since I saw a... Forum: Reef Aquariums 04-22-2004, 07:14 AM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong rayjay, The cleaner wrasse you have pictured in... rayjay, The cleaner wrasse you have pictured in the second photo of your tank "as it is now" is a Labroides dimidiatus. How is your Acanthurus japonicus doing? Some people report these guys are a... Forum: Reef Aquariums 04-16-2004, 06:05 PM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong miareefer, The fish you have pictured is... miareefer, The fish you have pictured is Labroides dimidiatus. The extremely high mortality rate for cleaner wrasses, genus Labroides, is due to the fact that their nutritional needs are very... Forum: Reef Aquariums 08-21-2001, 08:27 PM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong SO NINONG, HOW IS L DIMIDIATUS... SO NINONG, HOW IS L DIMIDIATUS CLASSIFIED? Labroides dimidiatus is not a part-time cleaner. It does not engage in cleaning behavior only as a juvenile. It is a full-time cleaner that gets most of... Forum: Reef Aquariums 08-21-2001, 10:43 AM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong Symbiotic behaviors are genetically fixed... Symbiotic behaviors are genetically fixed ecological adaptations that help both partners survive. The cleaners could be considered a key species in reef-fish communities. Without them their very... Forum: Reef Aquariums 08-20-2001, 07:33 PM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong Steve, It is very probable that they sold you a... Steve, It is very probable that they sold you a Bluestriped Fangblenny (Plagiotremus rhinorhynchos) as a cleaner wrasse. This fish mimics Labroides dimidiatus in order to be able to approach client... Forum: Reef Aquariums 08-20-2001, 03:29 PM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong Well, if you want to quote Fenner, why not read... Well, if you want to quote Fenner, why not read page 282 of his book: "Obligates, like the Labroides wrasses, get all or virtually all their nutrition from their cleaning activity." It is true that... Forum: Reef Aquariums 08-20-2001, 03:03 PM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong Excuse me? Where in the world did you get that... Excuse me? Where in the world did you get that idea? All five species of Labroides wrasses are obligate cleaners!!! Whether they accept food in an aquarium or not does not change their... Forum: Reef Aquariums 08-19-2001, 09:53 PM Replies: 105 cleaner wrasses.....yes or no Views: 2,913 Posted By Ninong My sentiments exactly! This is what Robert... My sentiments exactly! This is what Robert Fenner has to say on this topic in his book The Conscientious Marine Aquarist: "Labroides is one of the wrasse family's 60 genera, with 5 described... Showing results 1 to 13 of 13
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Marc,
In general, this fish does not normally do well in captivity; however, some hobbyists are more successful than others at keeping it alive. It would have a much better chance of surviving in a 700-gal aquarium with 100 other fish than it would in a 70-gal tank with 5 or 6 other fish. It is an obligate cleaner. It is not a facultative cleaner like some fish. It probably requires a large number of fish to service to maintain it's own good health. Unfortunately, it is cheap (at least it is over here) and many LFS stock it. I have even heard an LFS owner tell a customer to buy two of them to help with his ich problem. The customer said, "Well, I've heard that they don't live long." The LFS owner's response, "They usually live a few weeks to a few months at the most but they're cheap, so you can always buy some more later on if you need them." 
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Yes, this link works just fine for me as well, it's the first one that gave me problems.
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I'm pretty sure I tested the first one right after I posted it. I wonder what happened?
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 ....that is because you not actually linking to a web page your just linking to a server generated temp page.maybe james 
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haha i just put my mouse over the smiley i just used.....aperantly it means looney.
i thort it was i person scratching his head in confusion, so just imagin that instead....haha. james
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