[reefhead]

I have a 20g hex with a 175w MH

ofcourse, I voted for the highest temp;however, my clams,acropora,montipora and others are all thriving!

cheers,
Joe

[golfish]

Dude,
No argument from me there. I would like to keep my tank at a lower temp just to slow down evaporation. I think the higher temps effect the fish more then the corals. I also think a stable temp is better for the fish. The problem I had with Organicreefer's post was that we are all "Lucky"...There's just too many "Lucky" people out there to make a statement like that. Remember, he said this was his opinion

Your are very right about SueT's tank, but there are many more tanks that look just as good and are kept at much higher temps. Reefengineer ( I think that's his screen name. Randy is his name) is one that comes to mind.

Calling 25+ people who replied to your poll " Lucky" doesn't sit very well with me. I could careless what anybody thinks of me.

When I first setup my tank I had a little larger temp swing. I e-mailed Dr Ron asking his thoughts. He told me that temperature swings of 6 degrees were very common and should not be worried about, He also told me that temps as high 86 should be fine.

I sure hope I'm " Lucky" for the next 17 years

[Toadally]

I feel lucky tonight!

[organicreefer]

i see alot of "lucky" people on the boards having problems while all their parameters are "perfect".


.........i have a problem with algea,all my parameters are "perfect",0 nitrates 0 phosphates,and oh yeah my temp. is 83...

.........why am i experiencing rtn?? ,all my parameters are "perfect",my temp only spiked at 86 for a few hours....

not to mention all those other "mysterious" deaths/diseases with so called perfect water.
if you want to run youre tank at 83 degrees ,against the advice of practically every "authority "on the subject(check with youre public aquariums,see where they keep temps,what about youre lfs?what about proffesional aquaculture facilities?i bet they arent relying on "luck" ) be my (forwarned)guest

[golfish]

You stressed about this all day and that's the best you could do

[organicreefer]

you need more?
we can "debate " the reasons if you wish,but you dont really seem to have much of "substance" to say on this matter,or as scuba put it "proof is in the puddin' "

[Ironreef]

I must be lucky I never got rtn. my temp ranges @79-84 everyday. For at least 4yrs now. Before I use to keep it at 77-80 but that was to much work without a chiller. I take that back i did have 2 sps corals get rtn but they were wild.I kept my tank below 80. But i only get captive now. they don't know what temps are in the wild. But if i did have a chiller I probally would keep it at 80. FWIW I have green monti with purple tips that grow at least 1/8-1/4" everyday.= my fastest growing coral That i can see growth

[golfish]

I don't put to much trust into a book that devotes a whole paragraph that just tells you this is the recommended temps so keep it there. All the books I have don't go into detail.........These do!

http://www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/a.../1/default.asp

http://www.reefcentral.com/library/b.../tank_temp.htm

Naw, Ironreef, your not Lucky your a newbie JK

[organicreefer]

both articles you mention,as i recall,argue that the animals we keep should be kept at natural temps,the only thing is ,my freind,as i have metioned before is our tanks are not a natural setting!
yes fish and corals can survive ,indeed thrive at higher temps,the thing is ,you are walking a fine line.
we all "know" that the larger the volume of water you have, the larger the "buffer" you have to work with.things dont change in the ocean,normally,as quickly and catostrophically as they can in a small closed sytem.
since bacteria are much more active at higher temps,and the DO (dissolved oxygen)is likely to be lower in an aquarium(dont forget how much that oxygen that dsb is consuming )there is very little margin for error.
should an animal die,or a peice of equipment fail oxygen levels could drop rapidly,maybe youre running steady at 84 and everything is thriving,then youre fans stop working one day ,you dont get home till late,and youre temp is 90.(note this is not a problem in the ocean)
i beleive ive read posts from some experienced reef keepers on all the boards who,after previously running high temps for extended periods,have had temp spikes followed by rtn,or whatever,and have since brought em back down.(perry you want to chime in ,i dont remember the specifics of youre story).
anyway dont forget that both ron and biogeek are like friggin scientists or something,im sure they dont have too much trouble riding the line personally,im gonna stick with the majoriy of the professionals on this one.

[BlueWater]

I keep my mini reef 81-83. Snails were dying in it before, but I added an air stone, haven't had deaths since. Also, my
anemone's blossom more at warmer temps.

I keep mine above 80 because 97% of the average reef temperatures
worlwide, is 81 degrees farinheit. My ex-girlfriend was an avid reef diver,
and she dives water levels well above 80 degrees in Hawaii,
Mexico, and the Philippines. (This was 60 feet below)

[golfish]

Too many "Ifs" in your last post. What if your heater fails? What if both fail.........if if if if if if.... FACT is I\we have no problems keeping reef tanks above 80 and more then a 2 degree temp swing......

heater failed (note this is not a problem in the ocean)

we can "debate " the reasons if you wish,but you dont really seem to have much of "substance" to say on this matter,or as scuba put it "proof is in the puddin' "

Have you read all the post on this thread? Have you read all the temp thread on the other BB's? How much more proof do you need. My tank along should tell you that YOUR fisrt post was WRONG. I'm sure you'll be able to find somebody to back you up. probaly lots of people...................open those eyes and take a look at all the newbies and lucky people who replied to Dudes poll.


Your point about lower temp are well made and I somewhat agree, but the problem is your first post. Until you can see that problem your just pi$$in in the wind. You are entitled to your opinion, putting a tag on somebody because they don't agree is out of line.

[chris]

Another lucky newby here. My tank runs at 83 degrees in summer months and 80-81 degrees in winter months, and has been doing so for 6 years. Quite a lucky streak I have going. Maybe I should play the lottery. I have never had RTN, or "mysterious" deaths. I have softies regularly reproducing in my tank. IMHO, I would say they are thriving.

In areas where corals are most prolific, temps range from the low 80s up to the mid 90s, and have very large swings from day to night. I know our tanks arent the ocean, but what makes anyone think that they know better than the corals natural environment? Although I do think it is beneficial to keep temps stable in the home aquarium.

The fact is, by dropping temps down, you are slowing all natural metabolic functions of corals and other inhabitants of your tank. To me, that can not be good for your critters. When we get a dog, we dont bring it home and say, "hey, I know that its normal ideal range is 75 degrees, but I will cool the house to 42 degrees, thereby making him more lethargic, then he wont need to eat as much, wont grow as quickly (he will be a cute cuddly puppy longer), and he wont produce as much waste, so I wont have to clean up after him as much!" GREAT IDEA!

Here is a pic of my luck to date.

My .02

c

[reefhead]

Nice looken tank!!!


Thats one string of luck......................



Joe

current temp- F84

[VIC]

I have been running my 350 gallon at 77-79 for 2 years now and everything looks great. I think that temperature in relation to specific gravity is the key. My spec.gravity is between 1026-1027. I have a friend who keeps his 150 at 75 degrees but his SG is is 1023-1024.
The point is that temp and specific gravity are both key for invert health.
Vic

[Toadally]

Chris - What kind of lighting do you have on that tank? It looks great!

[golfish]

Let me take a guess on Chris's lighting......... I say 12K's but pictures tend to make the tank more blue then it is.

[organicreefer]

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originally posted by golfish:
Too many "Ifs" in your last post. What if your heater fails? What if both fail.........if if if if if if....

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yes i agree way too many "ifs"
murphy's law my freind


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originally posted by golfish:
My tank along should tell you that YOUR fisrt post was WRONG.

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there is no right and wrong answer to this one my freind

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originally posted by golfish:
Your point about lower temp are well made and I somewhat agree, but the problem is your first post. Until you can see that problem your just pi$$in in the wind. You are entitled to your opinion, putting a tag on somebody because they don't agree is out of line.

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on this point ill agree ,ill retract the "newbie",maybe thats not a reasonable statement.but "lucky " im sticking to as my own pwersonal opinion

[organicreefer]

chris ,youre tank is beautiful!
ill say 12k too

[golfish]

pretty much what I expected Man! you would think after 17 years of being lucky I would win the lotto at least once......maybe tomorrow

[organicreefer]

if youve been running the same tank for 17 years over 82 degrees,could you pick me up a lotto ticket while youre there?