the battle of the aiptasia

FishKid · 01-24-2002, 07:40 PM

i finally got a syringe and started getting rid of the aiptasia, i dont have any kalkwasser so i injected with some extremely salene water after which they were really easy to get off the glass, but impossible for the rocks. so i have to get some kalkwasser + some peppys

mark

**scubadude** · 01-24-2002, 10:11 PM

Im not sure that high salinity water will do it....careful cuz if they are agitated they may lacerate and multiply.

Iron Crab · 01-24-2002, 10:33 PM

If only they were OK to have. I just got rid of 7. Then I found one in my overflow- got that one out. Today I found two more on the same rock as before and one living in my skimmer.
peppermints for me too.

organicreefer · 01-24-2002, 10:53 PM

ime adding peppermints to an established reef is not going to do any good ,they can find many tastier(hopefully not youre polyps

)more readily accessible food sources,especially if you have fish.peppermints may work if you remove the live rock one peice at a time to a small bare bottom tank that you dont feed.jme

injecting ,yeah they die with just about any solution you can come up with ,but when they are in a crevice ,do you ever feel confident that you have removed all the tissue???ime most times injecting them helps them reproduce.......look for "babies" about a week after theyll be easy to find ...jme

the best way to deal with these guys, if they are in a hole, is to epoxy them in.make sure its a tight seal ,you might have to stick a pretty big glob on to get it,theyll go out the back door if they can.then, youve got an ugly blob of epoxy there,to cover it, simply epoxy a frag,or a shell or a small peice of live rock to it to disguise it.my preferred method

naser · 01-25-2002, 03:21 AM

ive had 2 my whole time reefing.. one on a clam and the other on a rock that i took out and scraped clean.

Staghorn · 01-30-2002, 01:22 PM

My story about Aiptasia. I fought Aiptasia using all kinds of weapons, homemade and bought for a couple of years. Some worked for awhile but they would pop up again. About 3 years ago I added two peppermints. One got eaten, I think by an anenome and the other one got wise. After about 3 months all of the Aiptasia were gone. That shrimp lived in peace with the Cleaner Shrimp for over 2 years. During that time I never had any Aiptasia. The peppermint disappeared this past fall and guess what is back. You got it! little Aiptasia all over the place, more than there ever was. So, this thing never dies! Getting some more peppermints.

Barry N. · 01-30-2002, 01:32 PM

I got a copperband a few months ago and he wiped out the aiptasia in 3 days. Now he eat mysis shrimp and is foing great.

Barry

**schrocat** · 01-30-2002, 03:17 PM

I guess I got lucky.
Kalk took out mine just fine.

organicreefer · 01-30-2002, 03:21 PM

staghorn ,id be willing to bet money the peps dont work this time.please post again in a couple-few months and let everyone know how it goes.

Staghorn · 01-30-2002, 04:03 PM

organicreefer, I'll be sure to do that but a little hint as to why you don't think it will work.....again?

**schrocat** · 01-30-2002, 04:14 PM

Because aiptasia evolves.

J/K

organicreefer · 01-30-2002, 04:17 PM

well the reason i add again is because you say it worked before.....i dont know what conditions it has worked for you i the past ....but ime adding peppermints to a established reef is a pretty futile thing.....there are too many other goodies in there.i know alot of people who have had the same exp. and if you see *lots* in an established tank..... its too late.jme,please post again tell us how it goes,im just some dummy on a reef board

organicreefer · 01-30-2002, 04:19 PM

schrocat....that was low man

Nanook01 · 02-01-2002, 04:52 AM

Berghia Nudibranchs can be bought and bred in captivity. If you have some other reefers in your area, you can pass them on as the anemones are wiped out and then get them back when you need them.

Nanook

Staghorn · 02-01-2002, 11:31 AM

Participated in the "Berghia Fad" a couple of years ago. They did eat some Bryopsis but quickly grew tired of that. They were in the tank maybe 4 months then became a $$ meal for something. My tank was quite establised when I added true peppermints (not camelbacks, which will eat some coral). It takes awhile for peppermints to start on the aiptasia. Sucess stories that I have read had one thing in common, patience. Peace

David · 02-01-2002, 10:19 PM

Just My Opinion... It seems pretty clear that L. wurdmani helps to control aiptasia, but you have to be realistic. Adding two shrimp to a six foot tank with 100+ lbs of heavily infested rock is like asking your mother to kiss a compound fracture, it doesn't "get better". Kill off the big ones and add 20 peps and you have a chance. We all know that prevention is the best cure, add a few peps when you set up or add new rock and you will be pleased. IME it takes something like a Raccoon or Copperband to really wipe out a bad infestation, personally I have had better luck with the Raccoon. CB starved when there were no more aiptasia to eat! I keep RB in a FO and rotate rock as needed to eliminate anything the peps can't seem to handle.

chromis · 02-02-2002, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Staghorn
Participated in the "Berghia Fad" a couple of years ago. They did eat some Bryopsis but quickly grew tired of that.

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Berghia nudibranches do not eat bryopsis, only aptaisia anemones. I have kept and bred berghia for about 4 months and have yet to see them eat bryopsis, nudis are specialized feeders and I doubt there is any nudi who can eat algae and anemones.

IME
Andrew

Nanook01 · 02-02-2002, 10:30 AM

I agree with Andrew....Berghias eat Aiptasia only, when that is all gone, they will die of starvation. I think the ideal way of using them is to pass them on to other reefers when the aiptasia are gone. They are not really fish food, as they eat the nematocysts of aiptasia and have a natural defense.

Nanook

Nanook01 · 02-02-2002, 10:35 AM

Interesting information on Nudibranchs:

http://www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/a...wb/default.asp

Nanook

01-24-2002, 07:40 PM	#1
FishKid Governor Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Holbrook, NewYork, USA Posts: 1,799	the battle of the aiptasia i finally got a syringe and started getting rid of the aiptasia, i dont have any kalkwasser so i injected with some extremely salene water after which they were really easy to get off the glass, but impossible for the rocks. so i have to get some kalkwasser + some peppys mark

01-30-2002, 01:32 PM	#7
Barry N. Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,034	I got a copperband a few months ago and he wiped out the aiptasia in 3 days. Now he eat mysis shrimp and is foing great. Barry __________________ Barry ClamsDirect.Com

01-30-2002, 03:17 PM	#8
schrocat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Hilliard , Fl. Posts: 3,392	I guess I got lucky. Kalk took out mine just fine. __________________ "One man's vulgarity is another man's lyric" -Justice John Marshall Harlan "Send Lawyers, Guns and Money." -WZ

01-30-2002, 04:14 PM	#11
schrocat Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Hilliard , Fl. Posts: 3,392	Because aiptasia evolves. J/K __________________ "One man's vulgarity is another man's lyric" -Justice John Marshall Harlan "Send Lawyers, Guns and Money." -WZ

02-01-2002, 04:52 AM	#14
Nanook01 Tenant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: st. louis, MO Posts: 89	Berghia Nudibranchs can be bought and bred in captivity. If you have some other reefers in your area, you can pass them on as the anemones are wiped out and then get them back when you need them. Nanook __________________ The wind blew, the **** flew and then they came two by two.

01-24-2002, 10:11 PM	#2
scubadude Moderator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Wichita, Kansas Posts: 5,315	Im not sure that high salinity water will do it....careful cuz if they are agitated they may lacerate and multiply.

01-24-2002, 10:33 PM	#3
Iron Crab Council Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: N.W. Pennsylvania, USA Posts: 434	If only they were OK to have. I just got rid of 7. Then I found one in my overflow- got that one out. Today I found two more on the same rock as before and one living in my skimmer. peppermints for me too.

01-24-2002, 10:53 PM	#4
organicreefer Governor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,171	ime adding peppermints to an established reef is not going to do any good ,they can find many tastier(hopefully not youre polyps )more readily accessible food sources,especially if you have fish.peppermints may work if you remove the live rock one peice at a time to a small bare bottom tank that you dont feed.jme injecting ,yeah they die with just about any solution you can come up with ,but when they are in a crevice ,do you ever feel confident that you have removed all the tissue???ime most times injecting them helps them reproduce.......look for "babies" about a week after theyll be easy to find ...jme the best way to deal with these guys, if they are in a hole, is to epoxy them in.make sure its a tight seal ,you might have to stick a pretty big glob on to get it,theyll go out the back door if they can.then, youve got an ugly blob of epoxy there,to cover it, simply epoxy a frag,or a shell or a small peice of live rock to it to disguise it.my preferred method

01-25-2002, 03:21 AM	#5
naser super-reefer Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: SAN DIEGO, CA Posts: 1,908	ive had 2 my whole time reefing.. one on a clam and the other on a rock that i took out and scraped clean.

01-30-2002, 01:22 PM	#6
Staghorn Citizen Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ijamsville, Md., USA Posts: 175	My story about Aiptasia. I fought Aiptasia using all kinds of weapons, homemade and bought for a couple of years. Some worked for awhile but they would pop up again. About 3 years ago I added two peppermints. One got eaten, I think by an anenome and the other one got wise. After about 3 months all of the Aiptasia were gone. That shrimp lived in peace with the Cleaner Shrimp for over 2 years. During that time I never had any Aiptasia. The peppermint disappeared this past fall and guess what is back. You got it! little Aiptasia all over the place, more than there ever was. So, this thing never dies! Getting some more peppermints.

01-30-2002, 03:21 PM	#9
organicreefer Governor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,171	staghorn ,id be willing to bet money the peps dont work this time.please post again in a couple-few months and let everyone know how it goes.

01-30-2002, 04:03 PM	#10
Staghorn Citizen Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ijamsville, Md., USA Posts: 175	organicreefer, I'll be sure to do that but a little hint as to why you don't think it will work.....again?

01-30-2002, 04:17 PM	#12
organicreefer Governor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,171	well the reason i add again is because you say it worked before.....i dont know what conditions it has worked for you i the past ....but ime adding peppermints to a established reef is a pretty futile thing.....there are too many other goodies in there.i know alot of people who have had the same exp. and if you see lots in an established tank..... its too late.jme,please post again tell us how it goes,im just some dummy on a reef board

01-30-2002, 04:19 PM	#13
organicreefer Governor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,171	schrocat....that was low man

02-01-2002, 11:31 AM	#15
Staghorn Citizen Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ijamsville, Md., USA Posts: 175	Participated in the "Berghia Fad" a couple of years ago. They did eat some Bryopsis but quickly grew tired of that. They were in the tank maybe 4 months then became a $$ meal for something. My tank was quite establised when I added true peppermints (not camelbacks, which will eat some coral). It takes awhile for peppermints to start on the aiptasia. Sucess stories that I have read had one thing in common, patience. Peace

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02-01-2002, 10:19 PM	#16
David Citizen Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 210	Just My Opinion... It seems pretty clear that L. wurdmani helps to control aiptasia, but you have to be realistic. Adding two shrimp to a six foot tank with 100+ lbs of heavily infested rock is like asking your mother to kiss a compound fracture, it doesn't "get better". Kill off the big ones and add 20 peps and you have a chance. We all know that prevention is the best cure, add a few peps when you set up or add new rock and you will be pleased. IME it takes something like a Raccoon or Copperband to really wipe out a bad infestation, personally I have had better luck with the Raccoon. CB starved when there were no more aiptasia to eat! I keep RB in a FO and rotate rock as needed to eliminate anything the peps can't seem to handle.

02-02-2002, 10:30 AM	#18
Nanook01 Tenant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: st. louis, MO Posts: 89	I agree with Andrew....Berghias eat Aiptasia only, when that is all gone, they will die of starvation. I think the ideal way of using them is to pass them on to other reefers when the aiptasia are gone. They are not really fish food, as they eat the nematocysts of aiptasia and have a natural defense. Nanook __________________ The wind blew, the **** flew and then they came two by two.

02-02-2002, 10:35 AM	#19
Nanook01 Tenant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: st. louis, MO Posts: 89	Interesting information on Nudibranchs: http://www.animalnetwork.com/fish2/a...wb/default.asp Nanook __________________ The wind blew, the **** flew and then they came two by two.

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