Ok sound off, what kind of clown is this?

Caesar Augustus · 05-26-2001, 09:35 AM

Well??
P.S. Praise be to Scott!

Aragorn · 05-26-2001, 10:26 AM

Looks like an A. Percula to me. Commonly called the True Percula Clownfish. Distinguishing characteristics of the "True Perc's" are the notable black margins along the white bands. The "false" perc's typically do not have these notable black margins.

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reefhead · 05-26-2001, 11:16 AM

I agree !

chromis · 05-26-2001, 11:20 AM

I say Ocellaris. My A. Ocellaris has dark bands on it. A. Ocellaris seem to have a more yellow color like the one pictured. Cant see the dorsal spines so know way to tell, really. Is that an underwater light?

Andrew

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Aragorn · 05-26-2001, 11:41 AM

Yeah, really! Ever try to persuade a Clown to "sit still" so you can count its' spines? [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img]
I still have to say that I believe this little guy is A. Percula. More often than not(judging from my 2 perc's and readings) the Percula has the marked black margin. The Ocellaris "typically" will not have as notable marking. Sometimes it tough to distinguish the 2. That's why these fella's are often misidentified. Just my .02
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**Ninong** · 05-26-2001, 01:17 PM

Napoleon ~

Do you know how old your clownfish is? If I had to guess, I would probably guess A. percula, but the pics are too fuzzy for me to make out the margins on the headband very well. I do see some obvious black margins on the other bands, but both Percula and Ocellaris clowns have black margins, they are just more pronounced on Perculas. Usually the black margins start to thicken when Percula clowns are about 12 months old. And I would expect to see a bit more black bordering the headband than what shows up in your pics.

If your clown is less than 14 months old, I'd say it might be a Percula. If it is more than 18 months old, I would expect to see more black than that on a Percula.

Ninong [img]/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

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Caesar Augustus · 05-26-2001, 05:54 PM

no underwater light just the damn flash. And yes he was a ***** to photograph. I've had him for about 2 years so he's mature and I'm wanting to match him up with an anem but I can't if I'm not sure what he is??? Wont both take to a bubble tip?
Napoleon

mastaJ · 05-26-2001, 06:37 PM

Personally, I think this is a true perc (AMPHIPRION PERCULA) but I'm not sure. About them both taking to a bubble tip anem. I'd say they both will even though neither do in the wild. I'm basing this information on my expierence in my LFS because we have a tank that this pair of saddle clowns (Amphiprion polymnus) have taken to a condalactus anem. which no clownfish should take to because the are from the atlantic not pacific. In short I'd say your clown will take to any anem. because that is their only choice... Of course all of this is IMHO...HTH

P.S. Look at this site for more info. http://www.keil.ukans.edu/ebooks/ch1.html or http://www.keil.ukans.edu/ebooks/ch2.html

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Elmo18 · 05-26-2001, 06:45 PM

Napoleon,

I have two bubble-tips in my 80 gallon now, a Fiji Green Bubble and a regular bubble. My new pair of true perculas (the ones you have now), are NOT taking to them. They seem to like my goniopora better and hang around there most of the time now. I think maybe they would do better in a Sebae Anemone, but they are not as hardy as the bubble tips. The perculas are funny little fish, though. The pair kinda brush up against one another and is too funny to watch.

Regards,
Ilham

**Ninong** · 05-26-2001, 08:55 PM

Well, now that you say that you have had the fish for two years (meaning it is probably at least 2-1/2 years old), I would be more inclined to think she may be an Ocellaris. I can't see enough black in the margins bordering the white bands to convince me it's a Percula.

Anyway, neither species associates with Bubble Tip Anemones (Entacmaea quadricolor) in the wild. Ocellaris Clowns will usually accept a BTA in captivity, but Percula Clowns almost never accept a BTA in captivity.

Ninong [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

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Caesar Augustus · 05-27-2001, 12:09 PM

so what we're saying is no one is sure[img]/ubb/wink.gif[/img] O thats just perfect! I might try to get a better oic of him sometime but he never stays still long. Thanks for the 411 from everyone.
Napoleon
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**Ninong** · 05-27-2001, 12:13 PM

Unless you want to net her out and try to count the dorsal spines. If you get up to 11, you have an Ocellaris.

Ninong [img]/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img]

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karun · 05-28-2001, 01:28 AM

I have clowns that look exactly like these. I thought they were ocellaris but now I am confused. Why are you asking for a clear id?
If you are trying to match them with an anemone, there is no guarantee they will accept one.

Karun

Caesar Augustus · 05-28-2001, 07:09 PM

True Karun, but theres no guarantee I'll wake up in the morning but I'm going to plan accordingly anyway[img]/ubb/wink.gif[/img] I'm just looking for the best possible match.
Keep the reef,
Napoleon
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Rin · 05-28-2001, 07:35 PM

The pic makes it difficult (but certainly better than no pic at all.) My Ocellaris (RIP) looks just like her.

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Callie · 05-28-2001, 08:44 PM

Here are a couple pics of my Ocellaris. The 1st is the female and I think she looks just like yours. The 2nd is the male and as you can see he has alot of black.

Kathy

Rin · 05-28-2001, 09:14 PM

Kathy,

I like your pics, they're very nice. The male seems to have only 9 spines (the female definately has 10). Are you sure they are Ocellaris?

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Elmo18 · 05-28-2001, 09:15 PM

Kathy,

Those are nice pictures!! Yeah, the male does have a lot of black, but the black isn't very concentrated or "deep" in any one spot. I have a male true percula that has less overall black, but does havea deep black right by the second white band on his belly.

My female true percula has a greater bad of concentrated deep black coloration, much different than the false percula(Ocelaris) that you have posted.

Awesome pics!!

Regards,
Ilham [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

Callie · 05-28-2001, 10:41 PM

Rin,

I bought them as tank raised Ocellaris, and the LFS I got them at has never to my knowledge had true Perculas. Whatetver they are, they are the same. They are inseperable and have slept together since day 1. I purchased them at the same time. They have totally ignored the LTA and 2 BTA's in the tank and have taken up residence in a frilly mushroom. I do have another Ocellaris in my tank at the office that has taken to a BTA (took about 4 months) it has much broader black banding. Don't have a picture handy, maybe I'll take one tomorrow and post it.

One other thing I have heard is the Ocellaris has a taller dorsal than a true Percula. Don't know how reliable that is but on the ones I have compared it seems true.

Kathy

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05-26-2001, 10:26 AM	#2
Aragorn Governor Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pine Grove, CA USA Posts: 2,064	Looks like an A. Percula to me. Commonly called the True Percula Clownfish. Distinguishing characteristics of the "True Perc's" are the notable black margins along the white bands. The "false" perc's typically do not have these notable black margins. ------------------ One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to find them. One Ring to bring them all, and in The Darkness bind them. Tahoereefs.com

05-26-2001, 11:16 AM	#3
reefhead Governor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: st.petersburg,Fl. Posts: 1,513	I agree !

05-26-2001, 11:20 AM	#4
chromis Mayor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Lynchburg, Virginia Posts: 518	I say Ocellaris. My A. Ocellaris has dark bands on it. A. Ocellaris seem to have a more yellow color like the one pictured. Cant see the dorsal spines so know way to tell, really. Is that an underwater light? Andrew ------------------ "I have opinions of my own - strong opinions - but I don't always agree with them." George Bush

05-26-2001, 11:41 AM	#5
Aragorn Governor Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Pine Grove, CA USA Posts: 2,064	Yeah, really! Ever try to persuade a Clown to "sit still" so you can count its' spines? [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img] I still have to say that I believe this little guy is A. Percula. More often than not(judging from my 2 perc's and readings) the Percula has the marked black margin. The Ocellaris "typically" will not have as notable marking. Sometimes it tough to distinguish the 2. That's why these fella's are often misidentified. Just my .02 ------------------ One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to find them. One Ring to bring them all, and in The Darkness bind them. Tahoereefs.com [This message has been edited by Aragorn (edited 05-26-2001).]

05-26-2001, 01:17 PM	#6
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 19,412	Napoleon ~ Do you know how old your clownfish is? If I had to guess, I would probably guess A. percula, but the pics are too fuzzy for me to make out the margins on the headband very well. I do see some obvious black margins on the other bands, but both Percula and Ocellaris clowns have black margins, they are just more pronounced on Perculas. Usually the black margins start to thicken when Percula clowns are about 12 months old. And I would expect to see a bit more black bordering the headband than what shows up in your pics. If your clown is less than 14 months old, I'd say it might be a Percula. If it is more than 18 months old, I would expect to see more black than that on a Percula. Ninong [img]/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] ------------------ "I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well."—George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2001

05-26-2001, 05:54 PM	#7
Caesar Augustus Mayor Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Birmingham,AL U.S.A. Posts: 980	no underwater light just the damn flash. And yes he was a ***** to photograph. I've had him for about 2 years so he's mature and I'm wanting to match him up with an anem but I can't if I'm not sure what he is??? Wont both take to a bubble tip? Napoleon

05-26-2001, 06:37 PM	#8
mastaJ Council Join Date: May 2001 Location: Lakeville, MN Posts: 294	Personally, I think this is a true perc (AMPHIPRION PERCULA) but I'm not sure. About them both taking to a bubble tip anem. I'd say they both will even though neither do in the wild. I'm basing this information on my expierence in my LFS because we have a tank that this pair of saddle clowns (Amphiprion polymnus) have taken to a condalactus anem. which no clownfish should take to because the are from the atlantic not pacific. In short I'd say your clown will take to any anem. because that is their only choice... Of course all of this is IMHO...HTH P.S. Look at this site for more info. http://www.keil.ukans.edu/ebooks/ch1.html or http://www.keil.ukans.edu/ebooks/ch2.html ------------------ -mastaJ

05-26-2001, 06:45 PM	#9
Elmo18 Governor Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,514	Napoleon, I have two bubble-tips in my 80 gallon now, a Fiji Green Bubble and a regular bubble. My new pair of true perculas (the ones you have now), are NOT taking to them. They seem to like my goniopora better and hang around there most of the time now. I think maybe they would do better in a Sebae Anemone, but they are not as hardy as the bubble tips. The perculas are funny little fish, though. The pair kinda brush up against one another and is too funny to watch. Regards, Ilham

05-26-2001, 08:55 PM	#10
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 19,412	Well, now that you say that you have had the fish for two years (meaning it is probably at least 2-1/2 years old), I would be more inclined to think she may be an Ocellaris. I can't see enough black in the margins bordering the white bands to convince me it's a Percula. Anyway, neither species associates with Bubble Tip Anemones (Entacmaea quadricolor) in the wild. Ocellaris Clowns will usually accept a BTA in captivity, but Percula Clowns almost never accept a BTA in captivity. Ninong [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img] ------------------ "I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well."—George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2001

05-27-2001, 12:09 PM	#11
Caesar Augustus Mayor Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Birmingham,AL U.S.A. Posts: 980	so what we're saying is no one is sure[img]/ubb/wink.gif[/img] O thats just perfect! I might try to get a better oic of him sometime but he never stays still long. Thanks for the 411 from everyone. Napoleon "I drank what!!" -Scorates-[img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

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05-27-2001, 12:13 PM	#12
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 19,412	Unless you want to net her out and try to count the dorsal spines. If you get up to 11, you have an Ocellaris. Ninong [img]/ubb/biggrin.gif[/img] ------------------ "It's very important for folks to understand that when there's more trade, there's more commerce."— George W. Bush, Quebec City, Canada, April 21, 2001

05-28-2001, 01:28 AM	#13
karun Citizen Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Bombay, India Posts: 126	I have clowns that look exactly like these. I thought they were ocellaris but now I am confused. Why are you asking for a clear id? If you are trying to match them with an anemone, there is no guarantee they will accept one. Karun

05-28-2001, 07:09 PM	#14
Caesar Augustus Mayor Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Birmingham,AL U.S.A. Posts: 980	True Karun, but theres no guarantee I'll wake up in the morning but I'm going to plan accordingly anyway[img]/ubb/wink.gif[/img] I'm just looking for the best possible match. Keep the reef, Napoleon "Nobodys perfect, I am nobody, therefore I am perfect." [This message has been edited by Napoleon (edited 05-28-2001).]

05-28-2001, 07:35 PM	#15
Rin Mayor Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Leesburg, GA Posts: 774	The pic makes it difficult (but certainly better than no pic at all.) My Ocellaris (RIP) looks just like her. ------------------ -Todd 'There're only 3 types of people in the world: Those who can count and those who can't'

05-28-2001, 08:44 PM	#16
Callie Just Moved In Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ USA Posts: 26	Here are a couple pics of my Ocellaris. The 1st is the female and I think she looks just like yours. The 2nd is the male and as you can see he has alot of black. Kathy

05-28-2001, 09:14 PM	#17
Rin Mayor Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Leesburg, GA Posts: 774	Kathy, I like your pics, they're very nice. The male seems to have only 9 spines (the female definately has 10). Are you sure they are Ocellaris? ------------------ -Todd 'There're only 3 types of people in the world: Those who can count and those who can't'

05-28-2001, 09:15 PM	#18
Elmo18 Governor Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,514	Kathy, Those are nice pictures!! Yeah, the male does have a lot of black, but the black isn't very concentrated or "deep" in any one spot. I have a male true percula that has less overall black, but does havea deep black right by the second white band on his belly. My female true percula has a greater bad of concentrated deep black coloration, much different than the false percula(Ocelaris) that you have posted. Awesome pics!! Regards, Ilham [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

05-28-2001, 10:41 PM	#19
Callie Just Moved In Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Phoenix, AZ USA Posts: 26	Rin, I bought them as tank raised Ocellaris, and the LFS I got them at has never to my knowledge had true Perculas. Whatetver they are, they are the same. They are inseperable and have slept together since day 1. I purchased them at the same time. They have totally ignored the LTA and 2 BTA's in the tank and have taken up residence in a frilly mushroom. I do have another Ocellaris in my tank at the office that has taken to a BTA (took about 4 months) it has much broader black banding. Don't have a picture handy, maybe I'll take one tomorrow and post it. One other thing I have heard is the Ocellaris has a taller dorsal than a true Percula. Don't know how reliable that is but on the ones I have compared it seems true. Kathy