[LittleFishBoy]

I have the same type of snails that the other person is selling on here. (Ilyanassa obsoleta) What a coincidence. Anyhow, I am selling them for 50 cents a piece, or 25 cents a piece if you want 100 of them. These are dime size fully grown snails so they will not disturb your corals etc when moving around like other bulky snails. Shipping is $4.30 USPS Priority Mail anywhere in the continental US. PM, or Email me. I have a virtually endless supply of these. I am also a hobbiest just trying to offer a good deal and make a little dough to support my out of control reef habit. Thanks.

[saltjunkie]

price seems kinda high.. i won an ebay action with shipping for less than 18 bucks..for 100

[LittleFishBoy]

Originally Posted by saltjunkie

price seems kinda high.. i won an ebay action with shipping for less than 18 bucks..for 100

LOL... you obviously haven't seen the other guy on here selling these same snails. Thats good that you got that deal. This however is not ebay, and I do not intend to go that route. I think I will just sell these to fellow reefers and not just someone who doesn't know what to do with them. There are many of those people on Ebay. Thanks for lookin though.

[saltjunkie]

Originally Posted by LittleFishBoy

LOL... you obviously haven't seen the other guy on here selling these same snails. Thats good that you got that deal. This however is not ebay, and I do not intend to go that route. I think I will just sell these to fellow reefers and not just someone who doesn't know what to do with them. There are many of those people on Ebay. Thanks for lookin though.

true... just relaying the competiton.... but on the reef forum you wil get lots of experts and what not who are truely against using these snails.. so either way you will hit obstacles..

[LittleFishBoy]

Well thanks for the info, if they do not want them, im not forcing them to buy. They can also just skip right over this post. Ive used them for 4 years with no negative effects. Thanks again.

[saltjunkie]

Originally Posted by LittleFishBoy

Well thanks for the info, if they do not want them, im not forcing them to buy. They can also just skip right over this post. Ive used them for 4 years with no negative effects. Thanks again.

im not against you bro.. i have them in my tank.... great cheap crab food.. i mean snails...
you seem hostile.. i dont want you to think i was dogging you or anything... just info,, thats all...

[LittleFishBoy]

Oh no.... I dont think youre dogging me and my appologies for coming across as hostile if i did... I did not mean to. I do appreciate the info, and only giganto crabs will end up eating these.... I have blue and red hermits mixed in with them and they do just fine. Thanks.

[percman]

i got involved in a pretty heated debate on another board about reef compatibility for these snails. they range from far north to northern florida in atlantic and have established themselves in san fran area of pacific. basically these are temperate snails that often die in reef systems due to high temp. They are also documented as being predatory on other snails. they also play host to at least 5 types of flatworm in 1 stage of life or another. I have also heard they do great!!!!! but only from the people selling them


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[LittleFishBoy]

First off let me thank you for hijacking my thread. Secondly I have kept these for quite sometime now and have never had any problems at all. I have also sold these to many people since I had an overwhelming amount and have not had a single complaint. NOT 1. Thats fine that you may think that they do this or wont do that, but have you ever tried them out? Or are you going on here say or of what youve read? No one.. and I mean no one not even the experts should write about them unless they have experienced first hand knowledge. There are many factors that can bring on problems such as death, flatworms etc. Thank you for your uneeded input, and if youre ready to purchase and take some off of my hands, just let me know.

[percman]

Originally Posted by LittleFishBoy

First off let me thank you for hijacking my thread. Secondly I have kept these for quite sometime now and have never had any problems at all. I have also sold these to many people since I had an overwhelming amount and have not had a single complaint. NOT 1. Thats fine that you may think that they do this or wont do that, but have you ever tried them out? Or are you going on here say or of what youve read? No one.. and I mean no one not even the experts should write about them unless they have experienced first hand knowledge. There are many factors that can bring on problems such as death, flatworms etc. Thank you for your uneeded input, and if youre ready to purchase and take some off of my hands, just let me know.

Your extremely wlecome, glad i could help, fyi i have kept them and they were a disaster they killed all my other snails and then killed each other (doesn't get any more first hand then that) admittidly the stuff about flatworms i read and have not experienced. On a personal note why dont you try selling inverts that are proven instead of selling people a gamble that could potentially upset their system or you could just leave it to proffesionals and find another way to pay for your hobby

[LittleFishBoy]

Funny thing is these are proven to be just fine. They are just fine that everyone that I have sold some to, have reported nothing but good things... even after 7 months.. hmmmm..... looks like you had a bit of bad luck... these snails have been in my tanks for over 2 years now... still going strong. Yes i admit ive lost maybe between 15 or 20 but i have over 300 of them in my tanks. That to me is proof in itself. What does that tell me? That these things prove themselves every single time I feed my tank, and that they aren't the buy today, die tomorrow snail. Flatworms... haven't had a problem yet. Seems that you need to re-experiment before coming to sour conclusions.... So I take it you've never had a bad experience with any other fish/invert? If so, let's talk about it.... Ill nit pick that one for ya.

[percman]

if these snails are soooooooooo good and so readily available then why doesnt the commercial aquatic industry offer them but whatever maybe when i finish setting up my 90 i'll take my 55 and use it just to try out your snail and see how they do with other inverts and whether good or bad i'll post results w pics and update it from time to time. I dont claim to know everything about reefkeeping but i do know when something is too good to be true the 55 "test" tank will be ready in 2 weeks so we'll see then, but for now just remember that most people in the hobby do not have the luxury of experimenting especially with fully stocked tanks. so just calm down

[LittleFishBoy]

Sounds good. Please do post results as you get them.

[percman]

i'm sorry if i jumped down your throat, it just burns me because I got played by the guy who sold me his so called miracle snails, but until i say anything more about what you are selling i will try them out thing whole discusion has really given me alot of ideas if i get the snails and try them and it goes well maybe i'll hook it up to my main display as a fuge the extra water volume would be great!!! and again sorry for comin at you so hard i have no idea how good YOUR snails are so i shouldn't dog them on your thread. this is a little off topic but if i set up the tank with like a 12 " sand bed and filled it with some kind of sand burrowing snails (i think ill try yours because they will be isolated and whats the worst that could happen)and set it up before the wet dry as kind of a biological prefilter to remove detritus do you think it would work?

[LittleFishBoy]

Sounds like it should work. Tell you what too.... you pay the $4.30 shipping and ill send you 25 snails..... I would love for you to experiment with them and definately post your results.. good or bad. PM me and we will work it out.

[jiggly75]

Originally Posted by LittleFishBoy

Funny thing is these are proven to be just fine. They are just fine that everyone that I have sold some to, have reported nothing but good things... even after 7 months.. hmmmm..... looks like you had a bit of bad luck... these snails have been in my tanks for over 2 years now... still going strong. Yes i admit ive lost maybe between 15 or 20 but i have over 300 of them in my tanks. That to me is proof in itself. What does that tell me? That these things prove themselves every single time I feed my tank, and that they aren't the buy today, die tomorrow snail. Flatworms... haven't had a problem yet. Seems that you need to re-experiment before coming to sour conclusions.... So I take it you've never had a bad experience with any other fish/invert? If so, let's talk about it.... Ill nit pick that one for ya.

Hello,
I thought I would ad my 3 cents . I bought 50 of these snails on Ebay about 6 months ago. I now have about 100 of them!! They do a good job keeping the sand bed stirred and they work on the glass a little bit. I've had no problems.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by percman

if these snails are soooooooooo good and so readily available then why doesnt the commercial aquatic industry offer them...

Sometimes they do, by accident!

Premium Aquatics once shipped Ilyanassa obsoleta that they thought were Nassarius vibex. Their supplier had misidentified them. They offered full refunds or replacement with true Nassarius. That was about three years ago. Some suppliers have been known to mix a few Ilyanassa obsoleta snails in with their Nassarius vibex by accident. Their ranges overlap on the east coast. Nassarius vibex snails have a distinctive groove in the aperture that is lacking in Ilyanassa obsoleta and I. obsoleta are much larger than N. vibex. Both are carrion eaters but I. obsoleta will also eat algae if they can't find enough carrion.

If you get your Nassarius vibex from the Florida Keys you are usually safe because Ilyanassa obsoleta's range doesn't reach that far south. Ilyanassa obsoleta ranges from northern Florida all the way up to Nova Scotia on the east coast and from British Columbia down to Morro Bay (Central California coast) on the west coast. (I. obsoleta survives freezing temperatures by migrating from intertidal to subtidal areas.) They were accidentally introduced into San Francisco Bay around 1907 in an oyster farming operation at Alameda. They spread from San Francisco Bay all the way to British Columbia to the north and then as far south as Monterey Bay, but there have been reports of them collected in Morro Bay, too, which is just south of Big Sur. They have not spread any farther south than that in the past almost 100 years. They are very common on the mud flats in San Francisco Bay, especially in the South Bay area where you can find them in the thousands. You can also find Ilyanassa obsoleta in the local Chinese markets for $2.99/lb.

Nassarius vibex (and Ilyanassa obsoleta) are not bred in captivity. They are simply collected. They have a veliger larval stage lasting several weeks, therefore it is extremely unlikely that they could reproduce successfully in aquaria. The female deposits the fertilized egg capsules on the glass or live rock and then once the embryos have developed to the swimming larval stage, the capsule will open and they will be released into the water column. In nature this swimming larval stage feeds on phytoplankton for several weeks before settling out. In an aquarium, they would most likely be eaten or filtered out before they could complete their development.

Everything you ever wanted to know about the sex life of Ilyanassa obsoleta can be found here (some of it is xxx-rated):
http://www.lander.edu/RSfox/310ilyanassaLab.html

This topic is often discussed on Dr. Ron Shimek's forum. He is a recognized molluscan expert.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...s+AND+obsoleta

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...s+AND+obsoleta

Anyone collecting snails along the Pacific Coast of the northwestern United States will want to try to avoid collecting these for their aquarium: http://www.rshimek.com/turrid/Default.htm

[Poseidon]

What is that about beating a dead horse???

I did buy these once from E-bay, as did my friend Matt. We both have nearly identical systems. After about 6 months I could not find a SINGLE one! I don't know if they all died off, were eaten by hermits, (I had those too at the time) or what happened to them. As far as I can tell they did no harm, but did not do much good either, since they were all gone so quickly. Matt had a similar experience, his vanished as well.

[Ninong]

Originally Posted by Poseidon

What is that about beating a dead horse???

I did buy these once from E-bay, as did my friend Matt. We both have nearly identical systems. After about 6 months I could not find a SINGLE one! I don't know if they all died off, were eaten by hermits, (I had those too at the time) or what happened to them. As far as I can tell they did no harm, but did not do much good either, since they were all gone so quickly. Matt had a similar experience, his vanished as well.

Yes, I remember when you bought them on eBay because I was the one who told you that they were not what you thought they were. Remember?

[Poseidon]

Yup sure do... That was my last purchase before research. I still have a good number of the N. Vibex that I purchased 18 or so months ago from Reeftopia. I no longer keep hermits and all my snails seem to last a lot longer, except for the occasional snack for my O. Niger ! He only seems to eat them when I pick them off the glass to scrape, sometimes they fall upside down and he munches them, more my fault then his I think.

By the way he IS GROWING FAST! He is now the second largest in my tank, behind my N. Lituratus. I think one day soon he will have to be returned to the LFS. He sure is a healthy FAT specimen though!