Garlic.

[dave00gt]

Doubtful. It's case of if it sells, sell it - who cares if it works! Kent Marine exists to make money and while there are people out there who say garlic is a universal panacea, then people will keep buying it. People see pictures of the Virgin Mary and Elvis in pastries (and sell them on eBay for thousands) for heaven's sake!

I suspect it may have a use as a deworming agent, but as regards Ich I have my doubts without seeing a peer reviewed paper or two.

The British government are doing this with their new super schools. They throw loads of money at a problem and say, "look, it's gone away - that must have been the answer."

If scientists did this - we'd never make any progress. You have to have a control group; preferably a large one. One tank gets the treatment and other doesn't. Each have to run EXACTLY THE SAME other than the treatment which is the variable you're testing for. If you alter many variables, you don't know which one made the difference and anecdotal evidence, as I think Ninong pointed out elsewhere, is an oxymoron.

Fine! that would be a very good experiment, but even then , people who dont believe in it will still be questioning the answer and never be satisfied that garlic was or is or it is not the parasite remover.

but i saw results and i am still seeing results because of this, so that is good enough for me.. just my opinion..maybe we should do a poll who have used garlic as a preventive measure and its worked.

[ODDBALL361]

After reading this post I decided to get this garlic extreme. I bought it from the LFS and boy is it exspenive $15.00 for about an ounce. It looks as though it will last a long time if you follow the instructions.

[dave00gt]

After reading this post I decided to get this garlic extreme. I bought it from the LFS and boy is it exspenive $15.00 for about an ounce. It looks as though it will last a long time if you follow the instructions.

cool! . i dont think i will ever stop using this product with my frozen food. ..if one of these days my fish have ick while still using this garlic product,out of an unknown reason i will no longer know what to think of this product. But untill then, my fish are looking great and better than ever and ive been usind this product since 4 months with no ick ourbreak

[smidoid]

The problem is few of us here are scientists. All this evidence is anecdotal. A very good fishkeeper I know is convinced (through anecdotal evidence and manufacturer's claims) that the Eco Aquilizer works. (See this thread for a load of phooey.) He's so convinced, he wants to put one in his shop!

http://www.reefland.com/forum/reef-a...qualizer-2.htm

Even though there isn't a scrap of properly collected evidence that supports the claims made for it. Inland Reef did a test with over 700 data points - and guess what. Nothing. Nada. Not a sausage. No measurable effect could be correlated.

[The R/C Man]

There are natural ways to keep these parasites in check. They are cleaner shrimp and the like. Studies have shown that fish that recieve regualr cleaning have less problems than those that don't.

[smidoid]

There are natural ways to keep these parasites in check. They are cleaner shrimp and the like. Studies have shown that fish that recieve regualr cleaning have less problems than those that don't.

Indeed! Not like the fish can go looking for garlic in the sea!

[John Hamilton]

Indeed! Not like the fish can go looking for garlic in the sea!

Yeah, but they can find chicken of the sea.

[smidoid]

Que?

[John Hamilton]

I did not know if you would get it, but Chicken of the Sea is a brand of Tuna here in the States.

[dave00gt]

Indeed! Not like the fish can go looking for garlic in the sea!

of course not , and they cant seem to find copper treatments , or freshwater dips and hyposalinity treatments either .

whats your point

[John Hamilton]

Probably easier than looking for it on a hot asphalt street.

[smidoid]

I did not know if you would get it, but Chicken of the Sea is a brand of Tuna here in the States.

AH!

[smidoid]

of course not , and they cant seem to find copper treatments , or freshwater dips and hyposalinity treatments either .

whats your point

Just as well they can't find copper - it would kill the inverts almost instantly anyway. Hyposalinity - they could find however: rain is fresh and if it rains in a rockpool when the sea is out, the water goes hyposaline for a while.

Respectfully, the point is made further up the thread. All the evidence for Garlic and marine Ich is purely anecdotal. It might have some advantage to herbivorous fish, but the carnivores... er? We really don't know what effect the garlic is having: if any. It may (for example) be actually effecting the protozans in the water column and that is having an effect on the fish.

The nearest we have to a proper experiment that I am aware of was conducted by Steven Pro and he found it was effective for worming, IIRC.

As the mod mentions, and it's a view that I share, nature's answer is cleaner shrimps (or perhaps wrasse for larger parasites). Best solution wherever possible is to try not to introduce them in the first place.