new fish "pacing the walls"

organicreefer · 05-30-2001, 04:38 PM

my new blonde naso doesnt seem very happy hes swimming himself ragged hes been in the tank since saturday.he eats but not like a complete pig like i would like but other than to stop to nibble he paces all day long water params arent to blame (im still going to start small water changes...should i ?)also when i first put him in the tank it seemed like he had diarhea his color is good and there are no other signs of distress(his gills may be pumping a little fast)my other fish are fine so far im feeding osi spirulina flake formula 1 and 2 soaked in zoe(this is all i have as i dont need to feed my tank much before the tang came along anyway the blennie and mandarin eat copepods/amphipods all day long)tanks been up about nine months sorry for the long rambling post any help appreciated if i left anything out ask please

**Ninong** · 05-30-2001, 04:57 PM

This is probably not a good choice for your tank since your tank is 30"x30" square. Check out what Robert Fenner has to say:

"The sixteen species of Naso ("Nay-zoh") Tangs share the traits of being open, active swimmers, and a propensity for getting BIG. Unless you have an absolutely huge reef system of hundreds of gallons, you’re strongly encouraged to only try the species of Surgeonfishes suggested previously. Here, we'll expand only on the five Naso species that are principally available in the hobby worldwide:" http://www.wetwebmedia.com/besttgsreefs.htm

Ninong [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img]

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"Thirdly, the explorationists are willing to only move equipment during the winter, which means they'll be on ice roads, and remove the equipment as the ice begins to melt, so that the fragile tundra is protected."—George W. Bush, Conestoga, Pa., May 18, 2001

organicreefer · 05-30-2001, 05:06 PM

leave it to you to pass along some "light" reading this is not a permanebt home for this guy im within the next month or so giving away my africans and turning my 110(five feet long) to a reef where i planned for this guy to live now youre making me think that tank isnt big enough.do you think my tangs pacing is because of the tank size?the tang is like 4 inches

organicreefer · 05-30-2001, 05:13 PM

and i know i did everything wrong i bought at first site i didnt quarantine didnt research nothing ....but this guy is soooo beautiful and smart too.i just ordered 9 for 99 from ipsf to get him some tang heaven

Mikeman · 05-30-2001, 07:19 PM

well first of all, settle down, you would be very lucky if none of your fish ever get scared and freak once in a while, its good that your ordering that tang heaven but its not really neccasary, give him a few days to acclimate to your tank.

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Humans are like parasites if you think about it, every other animal has found its niche, except us who just drain our host until its a lifeless shell......

Biomanjcs72 · 05-31-2001, 06:52 AM

It can take these guys a few days to settle down. I'd say if he's doing it for much more than a week, then you may want to check for stray current in the tank if everything else is good. JAT

pillions · 05-31-2001, 09:13 AM

When I got a juvenile Yellow Tang for the 80gal he would pace back and forth behind the "rock wall." Every day he would peak out further around the ends and swim higher on the back glass. I put nori/caulerpra low and slowly moved it higher each day. After a week he calmed down and ate quickly. After three weeks, he's casually swimming around the tank nipping at my Nassarius snails. Only when stressed does he revert to hiding and pacing.

**SPasse** · 05-31-2001, 11:34 AM

Organicreefer,

do you think my tangs pacing is because of the tank size?the tang is like 4 inches

Could be. I have seen tangs do this, kind of like a lion at the zoo.

Also, if it’s stools were clear and mucous, and it seems to be breathing fast when resting, you could also possibly be dealing with cyanide poisoning.

Regards,

Scott

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The definition of an expert is a washed-up drip under pressure.
You can see my reeftank at http://www.homestead.com/spasse/

BigLar · 05-31-2001, 12:11 PM

What is cyanide poisoning?

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-BigLar

**SPasse** · 05-31-2001, 12:30 PM

BigLar,

Cyanide is used a “fishing” technique in certain fish collection areas such as some areas of the Philippines. The cyanide “stuns” the fish, making it easy to catch.

Unfortunately, some fish are killed outright and even ones that seemingly recover often succumb, sometimes weeks later. [img]/ubb/frown.gif[/img]

Regards,

Scott

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The definition of an expert is a washed-up drip under pressure.
You can see my reeftank at http://www.homestead.com/spasse/

Biomanjcs72 · 05-31-2001, 12:38 PM

Furthermore, the cyanide released into the water kills the surrounding coral heads, doing much, much damage to the reef itself...FWIW the cyanide tablets are manufactured and supplied to these "fishermen" by the SHELL OIL COMPANY [img]/ubb/mad02.gif[/img] I don't buy a fish unless I can be assured it was net caught.

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JCS
"Too much of everything is just enough." Hunter/Weir

[This message has been edited by Biomanjcs72 (edited 05-31-2001).]

Elmo18 · 05-31-2001, 01:54 PM

Cyanide is bad. Sodium cyanide was and is still used in the Phillipines for the catching of exotic fish. When will this stop? I believe in naturally catching fish using hand nets or using a larger net to corner the fish and then using a hand net. Anything with chemicals is just bad for the fish, and the environment.

Regards,
Ilham

organicreefer · 05-31-2001, 07:13 PM

thanks to all who responded,the tang seems to be settling in hes pacing alot less and is starting to eat better.hes munching on the sargassum thats all over my tank and pecks at the substrate alot i think he was just a little freaked

spasse:he did have clear poop and i havent seen him poop in a few days so i dont know whats up with that i hope he wasnt poisoned thats just plain out f**ked up

05-30-2001, 04:38 PM	#1
organicreefer Governor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,171	new fish "pacing the walls" my new blonde naso doesnt seem very happy hes swimming himself ragged hes been in the tank since saturday.he eats but not like a complete pig like i would like but other than to stop to nibble he paces all day long water params arent to blame (im still going to start small water changes...should i ?)also when i first put him in the tank it seemed like he had diarhea his color is good and there are no other signs of distress(his gills may be pumping a little fast)my other fish are fine so far im feeding osi spirulina flake formula 1 and 2 soaked in zoe(this is all i have as i dont need to feed my tank much before the tang came along anyway the blennie and mandarin eat copepods/amphipods all day long)tanks been up about nine months sorry for the long rambling post any help appreciated if i left anything out ask please

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05-30-2001, 04:57 PM	#2
Ninong Moderator Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Louisiana Posts: 19,399	This is probably not a good choice for your tank since your tank is 30"x30" square. Check out what Robert Fenner has to say: "The sixteen species of Naso ("Nay-zoh") Tangs share the traits of being open, active swimmers, and a propensity for getting BIG. Unless you have an absolutely huge reef system of hundreds of gallons, you’re strongly encouraged to only try the species of Surgeonfishes suggested previously. Here, we'll expand only on the five Naso species that are principally available in the hobby worldwide:" http://www.wetwebmedia.com/besttgsreefs.htm Ninong [img]/ubb/smile.gif[/img] ------------------ "Thirdly, the explorationists are willing to only move equipment during the winter, which means they'll be on ice roads, and remove the equipment as the ice begins to melt, so that the fragile tundra is protected."—George W. Bush, Conestoga, Pa., May 18, 2001

05-30-2001, 05:06 PM	#3
organicreefer Governor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,171	leave it to you to pass along some "light" reading this is not a permanebt home for this guy im within the next month or so giving away my africans and turning my 110(five feet long) to a reef where i planned for this guy to live now youre making me think that tank isnt big enough.do you think my tangs pacing is because of the tank size?the tang is like 4 inches

05-30-2001, 05:13 PM	#4
organicreefer Governor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,171	and i know i did everything wrong i bought at first site i didnt quarantine didnt research nothing ....but this guy is soooo beautiful and smart too.i just ordered 9 for 99 from ipsf to get him some tang heaven

05-30-2001, 07:19 PM	#5
Mikeman Governor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Watertown,SD,USA Posts: 1,502	well first of all, settle down, you would be very lucky if none of your fish ever get scared and freak once in a while, its good that your ordering that tang heaven but its not really neccasary, give him a few days to acclimate to your tank. ------------------ Mikeman Humans are like parasites if you think about it, every other animal has found its niche, except us who just drain our host until its a lifeless shell......

05-31-2001, 06:52 AM	#6
Biomanjcs72 Mayor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Birmingham, Al, USA Posts: 815	It can take these guys a few days to settle down. I'd say if he's doing it for much more than a week, then you may want to check for stray current in the tank if everything else is good. JAT

05-31-2001, 09:13 AM	#7
pillions Just Moved In Join Date: May 2001 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 24	When I got a juvenile Yellow Tang for the 80gal he would pace back and forth behind the "rock wall." Every day he would peak out further around the ends and swim higher on the back glass. I put nori/caulerpra low and slowly moved it higher each day. After a week he calmed down and ate quickly. After three weeks, he's casually swimming around the tank nipping at my Nassarius snails. Only when stressed does he revert to hiding and pacing.

05-31-2001, 11:34 AM	#8
SPasse Moderator Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Forney Texas USA Posts: 2,245	Organicreefer, do you think my tangs pacing is because of the tank size?the tang is like 4 inches Could be. I have seen tangs do this, kind of like a lion at the zoo. Also, if it’s stools were clear and mucous, and it seems to be breathing fast when resting, you could also possibly be dealing with cyanide poisoning. Regards, Scott ------------------ The definition of an expert is a washed-up drip under pressure. You can see my reeftank at http://www.homestead.com/spasse/

05-31-2001, 12:11 PM	#9
BigLar Council Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: US, MI Posts: 289	What is cyanide poisoning? ------------------ -BigLar

05-31-2001, 12:30 PM	#10
SPasse Moderator Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Forney Texas USA Posts: 2,245	BigLar, Cyanide is used a “fishing” technique in certain fish collection areas such as some areas of the Philippines. The cyanide “stuns” the fish, making it easy to catch. Unfortunately, some fish are killed outright and even ones that seemingly recover often succumb, sometimes weeks later. [img]/ubb/frown.gif[/img] Regards, Scott ------------------ The definition of an expert is a washed-up drip under pressure. You can see my reeftank at http://www.homestead.com/spasse/

05-31-2001, 12:38 PM	#11
Biomanjcs72 Mayor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Birmingham, Al, USA Posts: 815	Furthermore, the cyanide released into the water kills the surrounding coral heads, doing much, much damage to the reef itself...FWIW the cyanide tablets are manufactured and supplied to these "fishermen" by the SHELL OIL COMPANY [img]/ubb/mad02.gif[/img] I don't buy a fish unless I can be assured it was net caught. ------------------ JCS "Too much of everything is just enough." Hunter/Weir [This message has been edited by Biomanjcs72 (edited 05-31-2001).]

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05-31-2001, 01:54 PM	#12
Elmo18 Governor Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,514	Cyanide is bad. Sodium cyanide was and is still used in the Phillipines for the catching of exotic fish. When will this stop? I believe in naturally catching fish using hand nets or using a larger net to corner the fish and then using a hand net. Anything with chemicals is just bad for the fish, and the environment. Regards, Ilham

05-31-2001, 07:13 PM	#13
organicreefer Governor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Northern CA Posts: 2,171	thanks to all who responded,the tang seems to be settling in hes pacing alot less and is starting to eat better.hes munching on the sargassum thats all over my tank and pecks at the substrate alot i think he was just a little freaked spasse:he did have clear poop and i havent seen him poop in a few days so i dont know whats up with that i hope he wasnt poisoned thats just plain out f**ked up