[organicreefer]

still researching abs,and i havent been able to find abs with any kind of algacide at all.so far,from what i gather,the ONLY reason abs is not used for supply lines is it doesnt have as high a pressure ratiing as pvc/cpvc .so i think abs drainage pipes commonly available may indeed be safe.like i said still researching...........................
ironreef if you can point me in the direction of any abs with algacides i would appreciate it thanks

[organicreefer]

so far everything ive read says abs is more chemically resistant than pvc,and retains its composition at low temps,same as pvc.as some of you may be able to tell im determined to get to the bottom of this

[golfish]

can I ask WHY

[organicreefer]

Originally posted by golfish
can I ask WHY

GREAT QUESTION!
first of all,ummmmmmm,I WANT TO USE IT!
second,i think that ive read ,on the boards,more than once that abs isnt safe to use,just like i read that cleaner wrasses dont do well in captivity,dsb's are the "only way to go",85 degrees is "no big deal" ..............should i go on?
trying to dispel another "reef board legend"
you youreself said you originally wanted to use it but didnt because you "heard" it wasnt safe
im sure the same thing has happened to other reefers on the boards.i hope to put and end to it ,and have sent several emails to abs manufacturers and a couple plumbers,hopefully ill get a response soon,or ironreef will come up with something ,and you can go ahead and archive this one

[golfish]

Your right about the cleaner wrasse, its shouldn't be kept. DSB's are the best way to go, not the only way and ABS should probably not be used Why WOULD you want to use ABS?

[organicreefer]

for the same reason you wanted to use it golfish.
why do you care so much?if you dont want to use abs ,dont .i do ,others do too.i want to KNOW if it is safe or not.
whats the big deal?why the sarcasm?

[golfish]

lol, when did I say I wanted to use it? it would be nice to use but.....ummmmmmm, I don't think so. You keep looking. I'm sure you'll find somebody to support you.

[organicreefer]

i stand corrected you didnt say you wanted to use it.
all the same why are you so against it ?
you dont even KNOW that its not safe.you just heard
im simply trying to find out ,and will.and if youd read the whole thread ,youd see that i do have others "SUPPORTING ME"(bob goeman,apperantly).thanks for youre help.ill post the TRUTH (i still dont know for sure)about abs when i figure it out.

[golfish]

Here's the problem. You said you would post the TRUTH.... You see, I only go with what I have done myself. Not what I have read or what some so called "expert" has told me. Hec, I only believe half of what I see I would not read something on the net and post it as the "truth". If I reply to a post with something I read then I really try to let the person know that I only read it and have not experienced it.

I didn't use ABS because I have only seen it used as drain pipe, never supply pipe. You have read all my post and should know why I'm against it.

I'm a person who doesn't like to reply unless I have done it or at least seen it done...... I have just contradicted myself I have never seen ABS pipe used on a reef

I hope it works. I wouldn't mind using it but for now I guess I'll let you take the plung....

Remember that its all going to be covered with Coralline (we hope)

Mark

[organicreefer]

Originally posted by golfish
I have never seen ABS pipe used on a reef



Mark

did you read this
PIPE SYSTEMS KEEP FISH IN THE SWIM.
Marine scientists at The Centre for Environmental, Fisheries and Aquaculture Sciences (CEFAS) laboratory in Lowestoft are beating the problem of saltwater corrosion by equipping research facilities with a range of industrial pipes, fittings and valves manufactured by Glynwed Pipe Systems Ltd.

The chosen systems are Durapipe ABS, Air-Line Xtra and Vulcathene, all of which offer the advantage of rapid installation due to their lightweight handling characteristics and simple jointing methods.
how about this

perclown: I use ABS 4" pipe for plumping of my tank, 150g, since it was built almost 3 years ago. Before I used ABS pipe for plumping, I was concerned of the saftety of using ABS, and sent an e-mail to one of the columnist at FMAM, I believe it was Bob Goemans for Sand Mail. He responded stating it is safe to use ABS. So I did, so far, no problem.

so i would say there is a pretty good chance it might be perfectly safe

[Ironreef]

I'll tell you I don't know of any websites saying abs contains algaecides. I get this from work. The dummers say it may/it may have in the past when use in drainage and irigation. They only use abs for venting and drainage. Pvc can't handle high pressure either. there isn't any high pressure in home use where pvc is used. They will use copper or metal pipe in high pressure applications. I would wonder why they only use abs for drains? It suppose to be more durable. What makes it more durable? maybe the same thing that makes it not potable? Use it if you wish. Like I said before theres ppl out there who use it. But imo if its not good enough for drinking water I wouldn't use it. I can get almost any building material free or at cost and the little amount use $$ isn't a factor. Just the application its use in in the first place. I belive you want to use abs inside the tank cuz its black?But fwiw everywhere else use flex pcv. spa pvc it nice stuff. Uses pvc fittings but is flexable. Dunno is use can use both. Another thing is does abs come small enough? The smallest I've seen is 2" you must want bigg plumbing unless you can find smaller stuff. I do belive the smallest they make is 1 1/4 but I guess your using an ampmaster? One thing don't listen to me I'm just saying ppl at work who work in construction industry = dummers who use pipe in there profession told me it maynot be safe.=MAYNOT =not absulot NOT. But abs application made me just use pvc. Its all gonna turn purple anyway

[organicreefer]

ironreef, thanks for being polite,even though you dont agree.youre right pvc doesnt handle high pressure,but it handles almost twice as much as abs.i have seen abs used in lots of potable situations in my seaches so far,and im inclined to beleive at this point that its really just a pressure issue .like i stated before i placed e mails to several abs manufacturers,but who knows if /when ill hear from them.we'll see.thanks for youre input .we all need all the" heads ups" we can get

[organicreefer]

add these to the list of things ive found about abs:

ABS (acrylonitrile butadíene styrene) is an extremeiy robust thermoplastic pipework system used by many industries in systems for food and beverage production, sewerage and water treatment etc. ABS is extremely resistant to impact with good resistance to chemicals, is non-toxic, conforming to the toxicological requirements of the British Piastic Federation, British Industriai Biological Research Association Code of Practice for Food Usage 45/5, and EEC requirements for piastic materials in contact with foodstuffs. These systems are light, strong and simple to fit using a solvent cement.

and this 'chemical resistance guide for water potable materials notice that abs is rated the same as pvc cpvc...A
Thermoplastics PVC A
CPVC A
Polypropylene (PP) A
Polyvinylidene Fluoride (PVDF) A
Polyethylene (PE)
Polyethylene Cross-Linked (XLPE)
Teflon A
ABS A
Gaskets SBR A
Viton A
EPDM A
Neoprene A
Buna N (Nitrile) A
Hypalon
Alloys 316 Stainless Steel A
304 Stainless Steel A
Titanium
Hastelloy C
is:

[organicreefer]

add one more to the list guys,and this one just cracks me up
i just recieved my Kent Marinefloat valve....made of you guessed it ABS

[Ironreef]

When abs is use in construction there could have been a time there was additives put in there to slow alga growth. ButI don't work with it just waht I hear. Dunno if it true but so many old time dummers say this. Depends on the manufature. I've seeen some say its not potable. The abs before 1990 there were many class action lawsuits= abs was subpar. If I were to use abs in my tank I would just get some that said potable then there wouldn't be a big deal. theres alot of things that were made different before. Just like lead in the paint.All the abs I've seen says not potable. I still wonder why. Even if it doesn't affect your reef.

[organicreefer]

ironreef i agree things could have been different before,or this all could just be a rumor too.
i ,for myself, am convinced its safe.
ALL ABS is ABS=acrylonitrile butadíene styrene
drain pipes are designed to drain,not supply
abs pipe does not handle as much pressure as pvc cpvc.
abs plastic IS on the rim of youre tank right now
go take a look,dont forget youre glasses
time to end this "reef board "legend once and for all

[organicreefer]

wel,im not 100% sure its on the rim of YOURE tank,but id say there is a pretty good chance.my 110 has it.im not sure whats on my new oceanic though?

[organicreefer]

another:
A.B.S. (Acrylonitrile Butadiene Styrene)
For over 10 years Plastic Systems has been dominant in selling pipework systems from this unique polymer into NZ industry. Its high impact resistance and low temperature capability and wide size range make it suitable for many applications.

Application:
· Mechanical services, e.g. chilled water lines
· Industrial and Power Generation, e.g. cooling water
· Mining, e.g. slurry and drainage lines
· Water Treatment Plants, e.g. effluent pump stations and plant pipework.
· Marine plumbing.


Benefits:
· High toughness and durability
· Abrasion resistant
· Non toxic
· Weather resistant
· Lightweight

[organicreefer]

i checked with ips (the makers o weld- on products),and ALL of there ABS cements are suitable for potable water .however,some of their cements,in particular some of those used for flexible pvc,are NOT safe for potable water.be carful what you pick
weld on 795 ,both blu and clear are not safe
weld on 747 is safe

[Ironreef]

I can guarrentee there is absolutely no abs on my tank. Mine is 100% acylic. I doubt if the solvent used is potable either.