[scubadude]

Heres an idea....You can get one those pistol reloader lookin manifolds...those look kik a$$ You could do all kinds of killer options here with these....man this is awesome....Im gonna get some of those pistol...wait...they are called Spider manifolds....haha...you dont have any drastic turns...you can drill 4 holes in various spots on the tank, and put spraybars, ss's, whatever...they should all be 1/2" outputs though. and if you wanted to use 3/4" use the other type manifold....or one like pauls...im sure there is some restrictions (head) in a manifold but it seems to me to be the MOST effecient way to run multiple outlets off of a hi output pump....Man I cant get over that spider manifold....that thing is awesome!

[scubadude]

Originally posted by organicreefer
scuba yes i pointed out that they do makle that product....but does that mean it doesnt add the extra head?????????of course it does!

look at the plumbing instructions on their websiteit says ....TO MAXIMIZE PERFORMANCE DO NOT REDUCE BELOW 1"!!!!!!!!!!!
can you reduce ? of course ....BUT YOU LOSE PERFORMANCE...do the math...SMALLER/MORE TUBES =MORE FRICTION/HEAD LOSS...ARE YOU GUYS BLIND ???????????i cant beleive i give up and now you come at me with that

Ok so what is your point? You want him to drill a hole in the back of his tank and have the output blowing 3000 gph right into the tank?? I dont really see where you are going with this! Yes it is less effecient....but it is the MOST effecient way to get where he needs to go IMO

[organicreefer]

imo you should listen to the manufacture,maximize the performance of youre pump,if you use a manifold,use at least 1" pipes

[wastedincome420]

Just for the hell of it has anyone contacted Dolphin about any flow restriction when using one of those manifolds. .

Maybe organic I did see wrong and the fitting is like yours. thats a sanatation tee right??

[organicreefer]

wasted ,read the plumbing page on dolphins website...its all right there.i dont understand why peolple want to argue about it.im not gonna say anyomore on this particular issue ,wasted please make sure you read/contact dolphin,and whatevever else you need to do ,it will pay off in the long run.
imo, i had to practically singlehandedly destroy the "reef board legend" that ABS plastic had algeacidal/fungacidal chemicals impregnated into it everyone,almost everyone ,on the boards said it was so.......
after much research and even contacting MANUFACTURERS i found this to not be true at all
point being just because one of us says its so (myself included) doesnt mean it is

yes its a sch 40 ABS drain/vent pipe,and it is totally reef safe

[golfish]

Once again Organicreefer has taken a very good thread and turned it into a circus. against my wishes Paul has asked me to delete ALL of his post........


wastedincome420, I'm sorry you\we had to lose some good info.

[scubadude]

Originally posted by wastedincome420
Just for the hell of it has anyone contacted Dolphin about any flow restriction when using one of those manifolds. .

I have spent alot of time talking to a couple of guys at dolphin (its a family business I think...and I talked to the Father and Son..I believe) One of my main interest when I was talking to them was GPH and head loss through plumbing....I told them specifically how I wanted to do everything and did my calculations of head loss, granite I never did discuss manifolds w/them but according to the calculations on their site versus what they told me my actual output of GPH would be where slightly different. I think you really should call them....every setup is different even if someone had talked to them about manifolds and head pressure yours would be diff. more than likely....Let them know that you have been referred by previous satisfied customers and that you are very interested in buying some pumps from them and that there is a lengthy thread on the internet about their pumps and head/manifolds/gph etc etc.....if you explain it all this way they will understand that spending some time helping you will be one of the best marketing techniques that they can have for their business (I call this the NINONG approach ).....Make sure you tell them that you want technical info on the pumps and manifolds though

[organicreefer]

Originally posted by golfish
Once again Organicreefer has taken a very good thread and turned it into a circus. against my wishes Paul has asked me to delete ALL of his post........


wastedincome420, I'm sorry you\we had to lose some good info.

turned it into a circus,im giving wasted the real deal..........
i wouldnt want him to get bad info
are you saying that im wrong golfish?
everyone is ganging up on me .............AND IM RIGHT.
why dont you reread the thread and see who got their"panties in a bunch"......................
wasted ,there are a few "cliques"(sp?) on the boards that will gang up and fight/dispute even sound logic...............notice no one has DONE THE MATH.......just attempting to blame me for "clutering up the thread"
im just trying not to let the thread get cluttered with bad advice (bad advice=using less than 1" pipes in youre ampmaster plumbing)

[wastedincome420]

Organicreefer: You have made your point. I have read Dolphins plumbing page atleast 3 times last nite Lets just say that I have considered LTSPD's opinion and yours. I will draw my conclusion from all. Also I looked at your site Organic, and would like to know what the size is of the tank you are using for your refugium?? My sump/ref. design is somewhat like yours

[organicreefer]

wasted good deal...im still not saying that im an "expert" just passing on my interpretation of the facts
my refugium is a 30 tall...now with an 8" dsb, tang heaven reg /green,grape and feather caleurpa.
i hope i havent cluttered the info(i dont think i have...you do seem to be gaining from it imo) for you wasted,as im being accused of...im really here to help and thats all....there are ALOT of different opinions in this hobby...about just about everything.
if they could show me the error of my ways .....im still willing to listen.

"cant we all just get along"??????????????????????
agree to disagree
turn the other cheek
live and let live
covet thy neighbors wife.........
ooops..........scratch that last one

[wastedincome420]

LTSPD: I'm really sorry that you had to feel as though you needed to remove you post/opinions I have taken your advice also I hope that this matter will NOT keep you from giving ME advice down the road

[wastedincome420]

Scubadude : I wanted to know what size you drilled you hole for your spra-bar.? Also can you fell the flow at the front of your tank?You have a total of 3 90 sweeps on the return side of the amp right?Is there an adapter for the SS so that you could have the output down lower??

[scubadude]

Originally posted by wastedincome420
LTSPD I hope that this matter will NOT keep you from giving ME advice down the road

I doubt it very seriously, Paul is not like that....email him if you have any questions...he will go out of his way to help you im sure!
I just dont think he will be involved in this thread anymore.

Originally posted by wastedincome420
Scubadude : I wanted to know what size you drilled you hole for your spra-bar.

All of my plumbing is 1.5" PVC and the actual diameter of the holes for my 1.5" bulkheads are 2 3/8" (im pretty sure, but not positive)....ALWAYS get your bulkheads first and give them to the person doing the drilling and tell them which goes where.

Also can you fell the flow at the front of your tank?

Are you kidding me? hahaha...Dude you can go surfing in there!...Not only can you feel it you can see it...if you want I might be able to find some pics of it.

You have a total of 3 90 sweeps on the return side of the amp right?

Yes that is correct!

Is there an adapter for the SS so that you could have the output down lower??

No there isnt (atleast not that im familar with) However its very easy to make. I just got a slip X thread coupler, and a threaded elbow, here i did use a standard elbow (not a sweep, or long sweep)...here again its an err in my plumbing....I should have put a sweep there...a long sweep though would be very bulky looking and not as eye appealing.

[wastedincome420]

Thats good to know bout paul,Thanks scuba
Surfin....... Really I'll have to try that. I keep trying to comapre your setup with the way I want mine( But mine is smaller, so I may be able to do a few things a lil' different). How long is your Tank/spray bar Scuba??(Heck, whats all you tank dimensions)

[scubadude]

hehe...heres the specs

Tank
72"long x 30"wide x 24" deep
The spraybar is about 5.5' long

[wastedincome420]

Scuba: If you say you can surf from yours with you tank being that size
Then I better look out who ever gets close to mine will need a rain jacket and surf board
My tank is only 5 long ( I figure a spray bar bout 3.5-4ft long and 18" wide (front to back) and is depth the same at 24".
What do ya think bout that
Think I should bump the SBar down to 1"??

[organicreefer]

im *almost* afraid to even chime in here

first off paul ,seriously man,if you recall i posted in the past thanking you for the help looking at youre plumbing set up gave me,i used spa flex based on youre setup......,it really is a great benefit to have youre input...thats my true opinion.our disagreement was minor ,i feel you blew it out of proportion,and perhaps i did too.water under the bridge as far as im concerned
have you thought about using black abs for youre spray bar?paint the background black and keep everything in th tank black since youre trying to reduce clutter.and with youre plan of a ss,and locline youre half way there...just a thought

[wastedincome420]

Well. more like 3/4 of the way there, Organic
The back of the tank is allready black (I painted it ), The CL intake strainers (not the same as the ones for the over flow, These sre bout 4" round and only stick out from the glass 1/2-3/4") are black. and the Overflow intakes are also black. So Black pipe and fitting is all I need to "mask" it all. I was thinking of atleast using conduit pipe and sweep. Its atleast gray.

[organicreefer]

black,black,BLACK,BLACK ,BLACK ,BLACK

not grey black jmo

i managed to get everything in my new tank black,its the best tank.,.,. ,well the best tank i ever had
i need to finsh painting the canopy,ill be wrking on that tonight tomorrow...a little aquascaping(need more sand,minor rock adjustments )and ill be posting a bunch of pics,probly by next weekend
its going good so far .....ill get over myself now

[wastedincome420]

Send me a site where I can get Black pipe and sweep
I'm ALL for have it ALL BLACK, that why I painted the glass,etc, Plus my hood/and stand are black